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Discussion Thread: The Osteoporosis/Osteopenia Set-Up

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This is a forum copy of the transcript for the video at:
The Osteoporosis/Osteopenia Set-Up
and also at:
Undoctored Blog: The Osteoporosis/Osteopenia Set-Up
🅑Wheat Belly Blog: The Osteoporosis/Osteopenia Set-Up

For why this is here, see this revised Reply in an earlier transcript thread.


Transcript:

I call this the osteoporosis or osteopenia set-up. What do I mean by that? What I mean is that the advice you typically get from your primary care doctor is a “set-up” essentially for osteoporosis. In other words, it doesn’t really improve things unless they add the drugs. So it’s essentially a greased path to put you on the drugs.

So what do the primary care docs and other doctors tell you if you have bone thinning identified and you’re therefore at risk for hip fractures and other kinds of osteoporotic fractures? They tell you to take calcium, right? If they even mention diet they say such things as: cut your saturated fat, and eat healthy whole grains, and then, they might make mention of vitamin D, typically saying things like 400 units per day is enough — sometimes a 1000 units or 2000 units — and usually don’t even check your blood levels, or accept abnormally low blood levels of 25-hydroxy Vitamin D.

Then they proceed to write you a prescription for drugs like Boniva™, Actonel®, Fosamax®, or Reclast® that have some pretty nasty side effects, like death of the jaw bone, that requires extensive reconstruction of your face and jaw, or death of the femur part of the femur bone, that’s the thigh bone — likewise very painful very dramatic, changes your life, very bad thing to happen. And they’re expensive. So these are not perfect drugs. They’re not entirely benign drugs. But your doctor very freely dispenses these darn things — to compensate for a program (calcium, etc.), that does not work.

What if instead of just going straight to a nasty drug your doctor sat you down, and taught you how to do this on your own using natural methods that don’t provide any adverse side effects but only provided other health benefits, including weight loss, reduction of blood sugar, reversal of inflammation, feeling better, being happier, looking 10 years younger. Wouldn’t that be nice if your doctor gave that kind of information?

Well, these are the kinds of discussions, by the way, I have in my Undoctored book (Undoctored — Why Health Care Has Failed You And How You Can Become Smarter Than Your Doctor). I also just take this even further, and add several more dimensions in my Undoctored Inner Circle membership website. But, here I’m going to give you a starting point, to get you going if your doctor gave you bad information on how to reverse bone thinning.

No supplemental calcium

First of all we don’t take calcium, let me tell you why.

  1. Calcium has been shown to increase heart attack risk so if you take calcium as a supplement, there appears to be a surge of calcium in the bloodstream that increases risk for sudden cardiac death, and heart attack. So that’s not a good solution, right, and never really worked anyway.
  2. Calcium has not been shown to increase bone density nor decrease osteoporotic fractures. So, it’s a very ineffective idea, that you take calcium, and you hope it goes to the right places — not the wrong places like arteries and heart valves. So, a flawed strategy; we do not use calcium.

Vitamin D: 25-hydroxy vitamin D of 60-70 ng/mL

We use vitamin D. But, we don’t just blindly give you some dose “X”, and then accept abnormally low values. We aim for the ideal blood level, 25-hydroxy Vitamin D, of 60 to 70 nanograms per milliliter, which typically requires more like 6000 units or 8000 units. Individual need varies wide widely, so we tailor your need depending on your individual situation. Some people need much more, some people don’t need that much. So, why give you one size fits all? Why not use the dose that suits you? It’s easy to do and that increases intestinal calcium absorption, getting Vitamin D just right increases intestinal calcium absorption from your diet, from food like broccoli and spinach and kale.

Cultivate bowel flora

We cultivate bowel flora, and when you get that right by adding such things as high potency multi-species probiotics to seed your intestines, and then you feed microorganisms with prebiotic fibers, and you supplement your probiotic with such things as lactate-fermented foods — when you get it right, the proper species increase calcium absorption from the intestine also adding to the Vitamin D effect.

Eliminate all wheat and grains

And we also eliminate wheat and grains. That’s important because not only is it inflammatory, and reduces visceral fat and body weight, but it also removes the grain phytates. Remember that phytates bind up calcium in your intestine and you pass it out your stool. So, when you remove grains there’s a dramatic increase in calcium absorption.

Put that all together, Vitamin D that increases calcium absorption, cultivation of healthier bowel flora that increases calcium absorption, and then also remove grains that also increases calcium absorption (and by the way, should also reduce calcium loss in the urine, calciuria). Put that altogether and you have a dramatic increase in calcium uptake from the diet. You do not need to take calcium supplements, certainly not with Vitamin D. So we don’t take any calcium at all, and thereby don’t expose ourselves to the increased heart attack risk. You don’t want to trade osteoporosis for heart attack, right? That’s kind of stupid! So, we start with no calcium supplementation. Then we get Vitamin D right. We eliminate wheat and grains for a lot of reasons, including the improvement in calcium absorption.

Vitamin K2

And we talk about such things as Vitamin K2 (not K1 from green vegetables), but K2 (that’s a participant in calcium metabolism). Now, my personal view is that K2 deficiency is really just a side effect of dysbiosis and small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, and that’s the way you correct K2, and also by consuming foods that come from animals that have been grass fed, like butter, or other fermented dairy products; they have K2 in them. But in the mean time, because we’re a little uncertain about how to get K2 the best way, it is reasonable to take a K2 supplement like the MK-7 form or the MK-4 menatetrenone form. That’s all discussed in the Undoctored book, it’s discussed further, dosing, how to do, where to find it, in the Undoctored Inner Circle also.

Exercise involving axial impact

And then lastly, think about exercise that stresses your spine and pelvis. So, walking doesn’t really do that, right, nor does swimming. Those are excellent forms of exercise, and biking likewise, but they don’t impact the spine and pelvis very much and so are while those are great forms of exercise for instance for keeping blood sugar low, and preventing Alzheimer’s disease, they’re not good for prevention or reversal of osteoporosis or osteopenia. What you need are exercises that stress or provide axial impact, an impact to the vertical axis of your body, the spine and pelvis. That would be like jumping rope for a couple of minutes every day, would be like playing tennis where your moving back and forth, shifting weight, jumping up to serve, or it could be as simple as jumping up and down in place 10 or 20 times a day. Surprisingly that has been examined in clinical trials and is effective, increases bone density in a few months.

Put all these natural methods together and this is been proven in clinical trials to work. So why would your doctor give you a program that doesn’t work, subjects you increased cardiovascular risk, and other conditions (as with consumption grains), and then prescribe drugs that are harmful and expensive — when you can do it on your own, or at least should give this a try first, a year or so, see if bone density improves?

There’s nothing to lose. It doesn’t cost very much, and this is the Undoctored way: taking back control over your health, because, as you see, the doctor really doesn’t understand health. He knows the path to drug prescription, and procedures, imaging, and therapeutic procedures like surgeries. But ask him about health, and you’re going to find a blank stare. So it’s your job, it’s our job, to engage in discussions and put together a collective wisdom to find the answers. In this case, in the vast majority of instances, people can take care of their own bone health and do a job that is superior to what the doctor would have done.

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