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  Rodney D
  First Post Date: 3/28/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/29/2020
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Geez, I just can’t squash this bug!  Looks like my fix was indeed overwritten.  It’s back to working again.  Easier this time though, just had to reload the known fix.

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  Toby Lime
  First Post Date: 11/25/2019,   Last Post Date: 3/29/2020
UIC cruise?
Dr. Davis,

Are you planning of organizing a cruise trip? 

I would like to know in advance to plan accordingly.

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  Ian989
  First Post Date: 3/28/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Those probiotics recommended after 16s rRna results scam or legitimate?
I took a Thryve stool test a few months ago because I wanted to know what exact species I harbour to possibly tailor certain interventions for myself or understand how some lifestyle or dietary factor might affect me. Thryve recommends their specific strains of bacteria based on your results and a questionnaire. I wasn’t enthusiastic to jump at the idea right away. I’ve experimented with different probiotics in yogurts in the past with no noticeable benefits (other than homemade yogurt tasting a lot better and being better for you than store bought crap). I’m not inclined to believe these would be any different (even if strain specific) and such a shotgun approach to remediating the condition of the gut with many different probiotic strains seems a bit hap hazard. Has anybody had experience with these broad spectrum, strain-specific probiotics? The company has some rave reviews about the efficacy on their website, though you have to wonder how many the probiotics have failed. Businesses never appear to publish failure rates

Ian989: It’s just bacteria. They can test for all bacteria. I’ve assessed for viruses, fungi and parasites before. I don’t appear to harbour any (although the tests could have missed them)
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  Bob Niland
  First Post Date: 10/16/2016,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Prebiotic Fiber Sources
Prebiotic Fiber Sources

Prebiotic Fiber Sources

Edition: 2017-08-13
(This topic has now has 2 pages of comments. Here’s quick link to recent traffic on page 2.)

Undoctored®, Wheat Belly® and Cureality presently recommend 20 grams of prebiotic fiber in the daily diet, mixed and varied, worked up to gradually if starting from a diet previously deficient in such fiber. Because we are apt to get 5 grams or so from foods (esp. on a diet with ample unprocessed vegetables), it is often not necessary to supplement the entire 20 grams.

The following tables (food sources, other sources) summarize various prebiotic dietary fiber sources suggested in Undoctored, Wheat Belly and Cureality publications. It also includes four foods which are program-safe in serving sizes intended principally to provide prebiotic fiber (Jerusalem artichoke, dandelion greens, garlic and leeks). Many other foods contain prebiotic fiber, but are not listed, usually because they provide well less than 5 grams at typical serving sizes.

About Prebiotic Fiber

Prebiotic fibers, aka fermentable fibers, which includes resistant starches and some soluble fibers, are necessary for the gut’s contribution to overall health. Prebiotic fibers are the substrate on which gut flora (microbial life forms) feed, producing a variety of beneficial by-products, principally short-chain fatty acids.

Note that the Fiber figure shown on Nutrition Facts panels is not the same as prebiotic fiber. NF Fiber is the sum of prebiotic and non-fermentable fibers. The prebiotic fiber content of a labelled food won’t exceed the NF Fiber figure, but there’s no way to tell what fraction is fermentable, and how much is just “roughage”. So NF panels are of limited use in planning prebiotic fiber intake; hence, this page (and others similar to it around the web).

Used alone, the word “fiber” may be a warning label. Most “fiber” products on the market are merely junk foods high in non-fermentable roughage fibers. If they make a health claim on the package, they are almost assured to be junk, due to the current FDA standards for such. The FDA has no recognition of, or standards for, prebiotics. Independent testing firm ConsumerLab.com has not yet tested any products intended for use as prebiotics. They currently think that 6 grams/day suffices, so you can see that it’s going to be a while before there are any useful official postures on this topic.

Probiotics and Admonishments

Probiotics are actual gut microbes (most often just bacteria), and are not the topic of this article. The current program recommendation is to start any course of probiotics 3-to-5 days prior to adding prebiotic fibers to the diet.

Where the gut microbe population is thought to be unbalanced (e.g. over-growths), or even have extinctions, a course of a quality high-potency probiotic might be useful.

With or without probiotics, any adverse reaction to adding prebiotics to the diet is suggestive of a dysbiosis. If symptoms are severe, prebiotic fiber may need to be reduced or discontinued until further diagnosis can be completed. Some situations, such as stubborn C.diff, Candida or SIBO may require independent interventions, possibly including antibiotics.

About the Data

The fiber sources are presented as two tables, one natural foods or extracts thereof, and the second commercial mixes or synthetic products. These tables are limited to sources that have been discussed in Undoctored, Wheat Belly or Cureality publications. There are many other fiber sources, but these would require investigation by the user. Keep the glucose meter handy for some of them.

There may be errors in these tables. If so, that just points out how necessary it is to provide this sort of reference information. Most ordinary consumers are not going to undertake anything like the level of investigation and calculation that was required to generate this page. Web sources are incomplete, confusing and materially inconsistent.

The numeric values largely rely on statements made by Dr. Davis in various books, blog posts and forum comments. Other sources will differ, and entirely satisfactory industry standardized testing procedures don’t really exist yet. Determining the prebiotic fiber (or resistant starch) fraction of some foods is fraught with pitfalls. A common method is to freeze-dry and grind prior to analysis. This can easily alter the composition.

Once it is established that the information on the present page is useful, presented in an actionable form, not to mention correct (insofar as anyone can tell), future editions of this table may have in-line scripting added to provide sortable headings.

Legend

Data For
5 Grams Net…
5 grams was selected both as a “starter” dose, and as ¼ of a home-made mix. If using the fiber as ½ of a mix, multiply these numbers by 2. Although not recommended (except for Virtue), if using the fiber as the entire daily 20 grams, multiply by 4.

Fiber Name This is the food, food ingredient or product name that is, or contains, the prebiotic fiber. Listed alphabetically.

Prebiotic
Fraction
The percentage, by weight, of the item that is prebiotic fiber.

Gross Reqd. How much of the item, in grams, is needed to provide 5 grams of prebiotic fiber. This is merely 5÷Resistance, but aids in quickly building a 20 gram net daily portion. An advisory is provided if this fiber has emulsifying properties, or would provide excess net carbohydrate exposure at 5 grams net prebiotic fiber. A caution u26a0_warning_sign is provided if there is an actual food safety hazard.
Typ. Cost Typical U.S. internet price for an organic, non-GMO product (bulk/loose where offered), with otherwise safe ingredients where present. Price is per 5 grams of net prebiotic fiber, in U.S. cents(¢). This provides a comparative measure of economy.
Net. Carb. The amount of net carbohydrate that would result from Gross portion providing 5 grams net prebiotic fiber. This amount needs to be factored into the meal or interval net carbohydrate budget. An advisory is provided if this fiber would provide excess net carbohydrate exposure at 5 grams net prebiotic fiber. A caution u26a0_warning_sign is provided if there is an actual food safety hazard.

Cook Yes: item may be used in cooked dishes, with no particular temperature limit
212°F: Yes, but with a temperature limit
No: item may not be used in cooked dishes
(due to starch conversion, do not heat above 135°C/57°C or so)
n/a: Not Applicable (food consumed as-is).

Remarks Important notes about the fiber, such as “Limited:”, which usually means that the item would provide excess net carbs if used to provide 20 grams net prebiotic fiber. See also the link to any further discussion below the table.

Food-Sourced Fibers Table

  Data For 5 Grams Net
Prebiotic Fiber Serving
 
Fiber
Name(s)
Prebiotic
Fraction
Gross
Reqd.
Typ.
Cost
Net
Carb.
Can
 Cook 
 
Remarks
Acacia Fiber 91% 5.5 g∇ 17¢ 0.5 g
(10%)
Yes ∇ Due to emulsifying properties, use acacia powder only as a minority ingredient of a prebiotic mix. 5.5 grams is just under one level tablespoon. More detail
Banana, Unripe 23% 22 g 0%
(?%)
No One medium Cavendish is about 118 grams gross, so 22 grams would be 15th of a banana. A whole banana would slightly over the daily 20 grams. Most people don’t seem to have a problem with it. More detail
Chickpeas
(garbanzo beans, ceci beans)
16% 31 g 21¢ 8.4 g
(27%)
Yes Limited: 20 grams prebiotic fiber from chickpeas would be 33 grams net carb. 5 grams prebiotic fiber (31 grams gross) is about 13 cup. More detail
Dandelion Greens 24% 8 g nil
(5%)
Yes Blanching suggested to reduce bitter taste. More detail
Garlic 18% 29 g 50¢ 9
(31%)
Yes The permeating odor is apt to place a limit on serving size that’s lower than 29 grams. What effect canning, bottling and processing (e.g. Garlique) has on the prebiotic fiber content is an open issue. More detail
Glucomannan
as Konjac Root, aka Elephant Root
100%
40%
5.0 gu26a0_warning_sign
12.5 g
28¢
23¢
0 g
<1g
Yes
Yes
u26a0_warning_sign Caution: Pure glucomannan is so highly hygroscopic and expansive that it can be a choking hazard if consumed as dry powder. Root product data is for typical shiritake noodles. More detail
Green Peas 7% 75 g∇ 42¢ 38 g∇
(50%)
Yes Limited: primarily due to net carbs. 15 grams net carb would be around 18 cup of peas (claimed carb & fiber content varies considerably between products). More detail
Hummus 6% 79 g $2 8 g
(10%)
n/a Watch for adverse ingredients in commercial hummus products. More detail
Inulin
as Chicory root
100%
72%
5 g
7 g
20¢
34¢
0%
<1g
(18%)
212°F
212°F
Inulin is a mild (safe) sweetener, so adjust any other safe sweeteners amounts in the recipes. Avoid using in highly acidic recipes. More detail
Jerusalem Artichoke 32% 16 g 2 g
(15%)
Yes Helianthus tuberosus, also called sunchokes. This is a native North American root crop unrelated to the common artichoke. Use fresh, as the fructose polymer converts to simple fructose over time. More detail
Kidney Beans, Black Beans, White Beans 6.3% 79 g∇ 70¢ 17 g∇
(21%)
Yes Limited: primarily due to net carbs. 79 grams is just over 13 cup. However, claims for net carbs vary considerably with these beans. White beans are twice as high in prebiotic fiber vs. kidney beans. u26a0_warning_sign Do not consume raw. More detail
Leeks (Raw) 12% 43 g 27¢ 5 g
(21%)
No Cooking reduces the prebiotic fiber value. More detail
Lentils 7% 63 g∇ 76¢ 19 g∇
(31%)
Yes Limited: WB recommends no more than ¼ to ½ cup cooked lentils per meal, due to elevated net carbs. More detail
Lima Beans 7% 71 g 78¢ 11 g
(15%)
Yes WB recommends no more than ¼ to ½ cup cooked lima beans per meal, due to elevated net carbs. More detail
Unripe Plantains 15% 33 g 10¢ 0% No A medium plantain is about 179 grams. Some sources claim the prebiotic fiber content is as high as 50%. More detail
Potato (Whole, Raw) 9% 53 g 13¢ 0% No Use peeled white uncooked potato. Cooking potatos drops the prebiotic fiber content to 3% or less. u26a0_warning_sign Remove green skin. More detail
Potato (Starch, Raw, Unmodified) 50% 15 g 14¢ 5 g
(67%)
No Use unmodified raw potato starch, organic non-GMO. More detail

Commercial Fibers & Mixes Table

  Data For 5 Grams Net
Prebiotic Fiber Serving
 
Fiber
Name(s)
Prebiotic
Fraction
Gross
Reqd.
Typ.
Cost
Net
Carb.
Can
 Cook 
 
Remarks
FOS:
fructooligosaccharide
100% 5 g 35¢ 0 g
(0%)
212°F {placeholder} More detail
GOS: galacto-
oligosaccharide
80% 6 g $1.80 1 g
(20%)
??? Data based on Klaire Labs Galactomune. Suggested use is making GOS no more than 5 grams of a mix of other prebiotic fibers. See Wheat Belly Blog articles: Galacto-oligosaccharide: an extra special prebiotic? and Loading up on galacto-oligosaccharides. More detail
IMO Isomalto-
oligosaccharide
15% 33 g 63¢ 8 g
(25%)
??? Data based on a powder product. Unless the breakdown is incorrect, it might be wise to keep IMO to 5 grams net prebiotic fiber (33 gram serving), due to the apparently material net carbs (which would explain widespread reports of blood glucose response). More detail
PGX® 100% 5 g 69¢ 0 g
(0%)
Yes PGX is mentioned in this WB Blog article: Commercial prebiotic fiber supplements. Unfortunately, every product I studied that contains it had at least one disqualifying other ingredient (xantham gum, rice flour). As mentioned on the blog, the bars are out due to net carbs. More detail
Prebiotin™ 80% 6 g 66¢ 1 g
(20%)
??? This is Oligofructose-Enriched-Inulin, or OEI. Prebiotin is mentioned in this WB Blog article: Commercial prebiotic fiber supplements. Any cooking use is presumably limited to 212°F/100°C or less, and due to the inulin content, avoid using in highly acidic recipes. More detail
Virtue
(WFMF)
42-46% 11 or 12 g. 71¢ 1 g
(13%)
Yes These products of Wheat Free Market Foods contain a blend of inulin, chia seed and konjac, and other ingredients. More detail

Discussion

Acacia Fiber

This is made from the gum of any of a number of species of plants and trees from the Mimosoideae subfamily. Products vary in effective net prebiotic fiber content claims. Claims are made that Acacia senegal is superior to Acacia seyal. [ Return to Table(Acacia) ]

Bananas, Unripe

The table data is for green unripe bananas. Ripe banana might as well be candy. A green banana tastes chalky and lacks the distinctive banana flavor. If it tastes like banana, it’s probably at least partially ripe. This also implies that they work best in recipes, like smoothies, that provide ample flavoring and safe sweetness. Do not use green banana in cooked foods - the heating converts resistant starch to available net carb.

A tip for getting bananas green is to seek organic bananas. This inventory turns over slower, so stores seem to be OK with setting it out greener. If you see only ripe/yellow bananas out, ask a store employee if they have any green in back; they often do.

Because we don’t want them to ripen, violate normal banana stewardship and refrigerate them whole, or peel and freeze them. Organic bananas are worth seeking, particularly if you are also experimenting with banana tea, which uses the peels. Non-GMO may not be worth seeking, as all Cavendish bananas are clones to begin with.

Note: do NOT use raw or green banana flour. Products tested to date have been too high in net carbs. The suspicion is that either the drying or milling process (or both) is converting the starch. [ Return to Table(Banana) ]

Chickpea (Garbanzo, Cico Bean)

Due to the net carb content of chickpeas being higher than the prebiotic content, use this bean as only a fraction of the day’s substrate mix.[ Return to Table(Chickpea) ]

Dandelion Greens

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Fructooligosaccharide

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Garlic

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Glucomannan (Konjac)

Some (but not all) “shiritake” noodles and rice mimics are made from konjac (with the others being made from something else, typically soy, for which the information here does not apply).[ Return to Table(Glucomannan/Konjac) ]

Galacto-oligosaccharides

Food sources (such as green peas) tend to be too high in net carbs, making extracted GOS attractive. Other brands considered had adverse additional ingredients (sugars, emulsifiers).[ Return to Table(GOS) ]

Green Peas

The prebiotic fiber is predominantly GOS, for which Wheat Belly recommends a maximum of 5 grams/day, but you’ll hit the meal/interval net carb limit before reaching that. Soaking to reduce phytates, alas, also reduces GOS.[ Return to Table(GreenPea) ]

Hummus

For products that contain no added sugars, both the prebiotic fiber content and the net carb content will be reduced to the fraction of the recipe that is chickpeas. Chickpea content is typically around 40%.[ Return to Table(Hummus) ]

Isomalto-oligosaccharide

Considerations for product selection include the original plant sourcing (typically cassava/tapioca or corn), and geographic sourcing of the raw materials (which can easily be China, confirmed by vague answers to pointed inquiries on this matter).[ Return to Table(IMO) ]

Inulin and Chicory Root

Avoid using inulin in highly acidic recipes, as it can convert the fiber to sugars.

Granulated/roasted chicory used as a coffee substitute or tea may not provide full prebiotic fiber benefit. Depending on the roasting temperature, the net carbohydrate fraction may also be raised (which may not be a big problem in the amount used for beverages).[ Return to Table(Inulin/Chicory) ]

Jerusalem Artichoke

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Kidney Beans, Black Beans, White Beans

The prebiotic fiber is predominantly GOS, for which Dr. Davis recommends a maximum of 5 grams/day, but you’ll hit the meal/interval net carb limit before reaching that. Soaking to reduce phytates, alas, also reduces GOS. u26a0_warning_sign Do not consume raw due to Phytohaemagglutinin in uncooked beans.[ Return to Table(Kidney Bean) ]

Leeks (Raw)

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Lentils

The prebiotic fiber is predominantly GOS, for which Wheat Belly recommends a maximum of 5 grams/day, but you’ll hit the meal/interval net carb limit before reaching that. Soaking to reduce phytates, alas, also reduces GOS.[ Return to Table(Lentils) ]

Lima Beans

The prebiotic fiber is predominantly GOS, for which Dr. Davis recommends a maximum of 5 grams/day, but you’ll hit the meal/interval net carb limit before reaching that. Soaking to reduce phytates, alas, also reduces GOS.[ Return to Table(Lima Bean) ]

PGX®

PolyGlycopleX® (a-D-glucurono-a-D-manno-β-D-manno-β-D-gluco, a-L-gulurono-β-D mannurono, β-D-gluco-β-D-mannan) is a proprietary blend of natural polysaccharides. But keep looking, they apparently sell the stuff in bulk, so someone wiser may formulate a product lacking disqualifiers.[ Return to Table(PGX) ]

Plantains, Unripe

The table data is for green unripe plantains. Ripe plantains are 30% net carb. Unripe plantains work best in no-cook recipes, like smoothies, that provide ample flavoring and safe sweetness. Do not use green plantain in cooked foods - the heating converts resistant starch to available net carb.

Plantains tend to be easier to get green, but the tips above for bananas apply.

Because we don’t want them to ripen, violate normal plantain stewardship and refrigerate them whole, or peel and freeze them.

Note: do NOT use raw or green plantain flour. It may have the same problem as raw banana flour.[ Return to Table(Plantain) ]

Raw Potato

Some estimates place the prebiotic fiber content as high as 45%, but these may be based on “dry matter”, which is only 20% of the potato mass.

Do not consume raw potato skin, or green potato flesh due to solanine. Do not cook raw potato, as this converts all but 3% or less of the prebiotic fiber to available carbohydrate.

Re-cooling cooked potato (e.g. potato salad) only repolymerizes 1-2% of the starch.[ Return to Table(Potato) ]

Raw Potato Starch

Do not cook raw potato starch, as this converts the prebiotic fiber to available carbohydrate. The program recommends using no more than 1-2 tbsp. (12-24g total, 8-16g prebiotic fiber) at a time due to net carbs.[ Return to Table(RPS) ]

Prebiotin™

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Virtue Prebiotic Mixes

The value proposition of these mixes appears to be:
• variety: 3 prebiotic fibers pre-mixed
• net carbs; formulated to be a non-issue
• quality: non-GMO Wheat Belly-compliant ingredients
• dosing unit: ideal 5 gram starter dose
• convenience and flavor
They can be added to a home-made mix of other fibers at higher doses.[ Return to Table(Virtue) ]

Fibers Under Investigation

Apple pectin, Larch AG, Mung bean starch, XOS

Intentionally Omitted Fibers

Fiber Reason for Omission
Barley A gluten-bearing grain
Guar Gum Emulsifier and suspect gut antagonist
Oats A high-glycemic grain, frequently gluten cross-contaminated, and contains proteins that are gliadin analogs
Psyllium Although largely soluble fiber, this apparently provides nil prebiotic benefit. It is useful as a thickener and laxative.
Quinoa Too glycemic at useful levels of prebiotic fiber
Rye A gluten-bearing grain
Wheat Arabinoxylan
Wheat Bran
Wheat Dextrin
Apt to contain wheat toxins
Xantham Gum Emulsifier and suspect gut antagonist

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Thonyc1968: where do you guys store probiotic? refrigerator, freezer, cabinet?
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  Tupelo Honey
  First Post Date: 2/1/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Corona virus, do we prepare for the worst?
Hee guys, I am a bit worried about the Corona virus getting out of hand very soon. I hope I am very wrong!
In the meantime I am making sure I have enough canned food, mostely beans, and enough of all the supplements that come with the undoctored lifestyle as well as over the counter medications against fever and coughing.

I wonder if you guys and Dr. Davis have more tips for me/ us to :
A: avoid getting sick
B: recover quick one infected with the virus
C: survive weeks of lockdown?

Thanks!
Christel

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  xtronics
  First Post Date: 3/22/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Relative risks - Coronavirus
Not understanding the attention gap  ... tell me where I am wrong ..

Corona virus - peek (so far) about 50-deaths/day
Car accidents - about -- 100/day  ( all age groups )
Death due to lead exposure  1095/day ( mostly older )

Lancet paper says something like number one cause of early death could well be lead exposure - low levels matter..

The paper says :

"Although we cannot exclude residual confounding, we estimate that about 400 000 deaths are attributable to lead exposure every year in the USA, of which 250 000 are from cardiovascular disease. Concentrations of lead in blood lower than 5 μg/dL (<0·24 μmol/L) are an important, but largely ignored, risk factor for death in the USA, particularly from cardiovascular disease."

"Our findings suggest that, of 2·3 million deaths every year in the USA, about 400 000 are attributable to lead exposure, an estimate that is about ten times larger than the current one."

So my take is 400,000 deaths a year is more important than the coronavirus by - how do I say this? -- A WHOLE LOT !!!  ...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30025-2/fulltext

,.,.,.
Those wanting to reduce their risk might want to consider BG and fattyacids..

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2020/03/ards-and-linoleic-acid.html
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2020/03/cell-surface-oxygen-consumption-4.html

( I have not had influenza after I started low-carb - many many years ago... )
,.,.

Also - might be a link with people taking ace inhibitors and NSAIDs -- too soon to tell (I’ve said before that NSAIDs are not as safe as people think - I would only take a fever reducer if I had a fever over 103.5 - but then I might just do cold compresses..):

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/18/coronavirus-covid-19/

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/22/covid-19-update/


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pamoja: Quoted From ptheut: pamoja your stats and thinking are way spot on. 

Lol, I still hope someone can prove me wrong. Shortly we will know more.
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  DaveR1
  First Post Date: 3/27/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Reuteri maiden voyage questions
Hi all,

The first batch bloomed !   Damn, it is so tasty!!!!!

Q.   I used 1/2 gallon of half and half and I ended up with just shy of a pound of yogurt.   I used a 1/2 gallon mason jar in a 100 degree 36 hour water soak.   I ended up with about half the jar in yogurt and the other half in whey.   Is this a normal yield? 

Q.    What’s the advice on re-pasteurizing the 1/2 and 1/2 before starting the process.

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  Iron Man
  First Post Date: 1/14/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
L. Reuteri Yogurt Efficacy Quantified

White Male, 55, Chronic Persistent Atrial Fibrillation, Hemochromatosis, Secondary Hypogonadism, Hypopituitary, Hyperuricemia.  Post stroke 14 years ago, 1cm infarct basal ganglia, was half paralyzed for 1.5 hours, now back 100%.

Situation:  I am testosterone deficient and will bottom out total T at under 100ng/dL.

Causation = hemochromatosis, secondary hypognadism.

Status: I am in the process of reviewing most of the posts on the subject here.

Objective:  to quantify CFU, dose, frequency and track baseline prior to and weekly tracking of key values, such as total and free T, E2, SHBG, LH and FSH possibly oxytocin.  (I am a labcorp draw site and have the ability to pull blood at will)

I will post the outcomes here.

I need to know milk source, I can get any from raw goat, cow, A1, A2, whatever, I just need to know what is best.

Does the 2 Tbls of inulin still hold?

Egg white protein to add?

will innate bacteria in raw milk compete with the strain atcc pta 6475?  pasteurize at 180F and if yes how long?

has anyone been posting blood labs before and after anywhere for T level increases and other values?

anyone tracking the effects on LH and FSH?

anyone considering redlight augmentation?

Bob how are you quantifying colonies at different ferm rates?

has anyone thought about taking yogurt cultures and introducing them as a component of a liposome? i have an ultrasonic disrupter 400w and can keep it cool while cavitating.


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  First Post Date: 3/26/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Lucy Mailing is hot -
Lucy Mailing is hot on the trail of figuring out this wacky gut microbiome thing in her latest presentation at the;
Afternoon session - 2020 IHH-UCSF Symposium on Nutrition and Functional Medicine

Dr Jason Hawrelak - The Probiotic Advisor

The IHH-UCSF Symposium a free FB video and its very informational, I dont have FB so I know it will work for others like me that abstain. Once at the video manually advance the time marker 10:00 min to the start of Lucy’s talk. I haven’t found a transcript yet.

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Rodney D: I liked the RightBiotics Rx too and bought it back in November from Amazon for $25, they haven’t had it since so Im a little bummed to buy direct from Realdose for $37. It was one of Lucy’s top probiotic choices from her blog page.
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  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
L. casei Shirota yogurt to boost the immune response against respiratory viruses
Enhancing our immune response is a worthwhile strategy to protect ourselves against viral infections, whether flu, rhinovirus (common cold), or coronavirus (COVID-19).
I’ve talked previously about how the basic Undoctored strategy of wheat/grain elimination reduces metabolic endotoxemia provoked by the gliadin protein that increases intestinal permeability; how wheat/grain elimination and sugar limitation avoids the drop in immune response that follows high blood sugars; how vitamin D restoration restores T-cell immunity against viruses (as well as against autoimmune conditions and cancers).

I’ve also discussed how our L. reuteri yogurt, because it provokes hypothalamic release of oxytocin, may reverse thymic involution of aging, i.e., atrophy of the thymus gland in the chest that is the seat of T-cell immunity. Thymus gland atrophy is responsible for immunosenescence, i.e., loss of immunity with aging. So far, every observation surrounding L. reuteri and oxytocin made in experimental models has held true in humans: accelerated skin healing, augmentation of dermal collage deposition. reduction in appetite (anorexigenic effect), etc. It is therefore likely that this aspect of oxytocin likely applies to humans, too, though not yet fully corroborated. I’ve also discussed how reducing/eliminating another cause of metabolic endotoxemia, SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth), also reduces body-wide inflammation that impairs immunity.
I’d like to further explore another immune system-building strategy: cultivating the probiotic bacterial species Lactobacillus casei subspecies Shirota. Human clinical trials have demonstrated marked enhancement of the immune response accompanied by reduced susceptibility to respiratory infections and accelerated recovery should infection occur.
Among the effects, both immune-enhancing and otherwise, of administration of L. casei Shirota include:
One potential downside: Many of these studies were funded by the manufacturer of L. casei Shirota, introducing potential financial bias. However, I did not list the studies that demonstrated negative effects such as no reduction in allergic rhinitis and no improvements in blood sugar and measures of insulin resistance (including HbA1c, HOMA, fasting insulin) in obese pre-diabetic males, suggesting that there was no push to only publish positive outcomes. There is, no doubt, potential for bias but the weight of positive evidence that all point in the similar direction of enhancement of the immune response and reduction of inflammatory biomarkers suggest that these are likely genuine findings.
 
This strain of L. casei is commercially available in the U.S. as the Yakult brand of probiotic beverage, available through selected retailers, only having been introduced on a national basis since 2019. (Here is a store locator.) As with most commercially-prepared beverages, the manufacturer of Yakult does stupid things like use non-fat dairy and add sugar, so I would not recommend consuming Yakult off the shelf. I would instead suggest getting hold of some of the product, then making yogurt (or other fermented product) yourself. And we, of course, do not subscribe to typical yogurt-making rules and instead 1) ferment for extended periods of 24 or more hours and 2) ferment in the presence of prebiotic fibers to increase bacterial counts and richness of the end-product. Each 80 ml (2.7 ounce) bottle (5 servings) contains 6.5 billion CFUs of L. casei; a tablespoon or so provides more than enough to get you started.


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netwurk: Quoted From Dr. Davis : Yes, freezing should be fine. You’ll know for certain if/when you seed a new batch from frozen product. 

How long can the frozen yogurt starter last? 
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  First Post Date: 3/19/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Making yogurt from L. Casei ?
Hai everyone,

In this blog (http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2020/03/some-unconventional-thoughts-on-coronavirus-covid-19/)
Dr. Davis is talking about making yogurt with the L. Casei (Shirota), commercially known as Yakult.

Has anyone made this with succes?
And / or has recipe tips?

Thanks in advance!

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goodraw2: Hi Hopscotch,

Thanks for your reply; I guess my real question should have been, why use this strain,I thought we were all making L.reuturi with the BioGaia Gastrus
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hopscotch: 30242 is available from Life Extension as Florassist Heart Health.

Here’s a thread -- https://innercircle.undoctored.com/forum/topics.aspx?ID=23755
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Yakult New Ingredient in L. Reuteri Yogurt
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  Afterimages
  First Post Date: 2/28/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/28/2020
Bad BioGaia batch (?)
This sort of continues from a recent thread ‘reuteri - or is it?’  

I got a new box of BioGaia from Amazon Wednesday and just finished fermenting. Well, I guess nothing much fermented as it is just liquid, smells creamy, and assuming no reuteri. I took a long shot in making another batch, since nothing was different except 97° instead of 100°, but I MISS THAT STUFF!

The box shows the same lot number (19TSA204) as my previous order. That box, minus the ten, is returning and a new order is placed. Doesn’t seem to be any opportunity to intercept the order picking to check lot number. 

Interestingly, I noticed a few recent feedback comments on that item on Amazon: they were negative and said essentially no live cultures in the package. I think the company may have a quality control issue. 

 I used the ‘usual’ recipe and set the Luvele maker at 97° for 36 hours. I’ve had many successful batches before this lot #. 

I’m just posting this as a ‘to whom it may concern’. 

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  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
Can a Virus deplete Magnesium stores more quickly?
A couple months back I had profound Magnesium deficiency with Mg Serum at only 1.58. (FDA ref range is 1.8 to 3.6). 

I started supplementing wtih Mg Water and then switched to Mg Malate (for convenience).  ALl the Mg symptoms went away including aura migraines, visual disturbances, arrhythmia, swollen throat, eyelid twitching etc.

I’ve had what I believe to be covid 19 symptoms since Mar 9.  I just started getting bad arrhythmia again yesterday w/ some tacchycardia.   My pulse rate just sitting down is often around 100 bpm (usualy int he low 70’s to 80.).  I get skipped beats often now even after just a few heartbeats. 

I’ve read that virus can attack heart and cause arrhythmia, tacchycardia, myocarditis, etc..  Wondering if that is happening or if somehow, as my immune system fights off this virus it is usuing up more Magnesium, depleting my already limited store of Mg. 

I’ve been taking around 600mg of elemental magnesium every day in the form of Magnesium Malate (Source Naturals tablets).    I just started also drinking 1 liter bottle of Mg water per day as of yesterday.  So far I still have the arrhythmia.  

I’ve also been taking about 6 to 8 grams of vitamin c powder lately.   Between all the Mg and Vit C I just had a bowel movement that was loose, but really not that bad.

Any ideas on what I can do to stop this arrhythmia?  And at what point would I need to go to ER?  Like if it skipped beats every other heart beat?  Or perhaps go into a full afib where it just starts beating randomly ? 

I still haven’t gotten the results of my covid 19 swab I did almost 7 days ago. 

Btw, just last night my lungs started getting tight, and now I have to cough extra hard to work free the lungs.   My SpO2 drops down to a low of 90% when laying down.  If I deliberately breath hard and long breaths I can get it back up to 98%. 

JennVsDiabesity: oops i took 5 of 99mg pills today .. all at once.. ground them up and mixed with a pint of water.  
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  Iron Man
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China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

In February of 2020, the Japanese Asahi news report (print and TV) claimed the coronavirus originated in the US, not in China, and that some (or many) of the 14,000 American deaths attributed to influenza may have in fact have resulted from the coronavirus. (5)

a top virologist and pharmacologist who performed a long and detailed search for the source of the virus explains how they are related to each other, how one must have come before another, and how one type derived from another. He explains this is merely elementary science and nothing to do with geopolitical issues, describing how, just as with numbers in order, 3 must always follow 2.

One of his main points is that the type infecting Taiwan exists only in Australia and the US and, since Taiwan was not infected by Australians, the infection in Taiwan could have come only from the US.

The basic logic is that the geographical location with the greatest diversity of virus strains must be the original source because a single strain cannot emerge from nothing. He demonstrated that only the US has all the five known strains of the virus (while Wuhan and most of China have only one, as do Taiwan and South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam, Singapore, and England, Belgium and Germany), constituting a thesis that the haplotypes in other nations may have originated in the US.

The Virologist further stated that the US has recently had more than 200 “pulmonary fibrosis” cases that resulted in death due to patients’ inability to breathe, but whose conditions and symptoms could not be explained by pulmonary fibrosis. He said he wrote articles informing the US health authorities to consider seriously those deaths as resulting from the coronavirus, but they responded by blaming the deaths on e-cigarettes, then silenced further discussion. ...

The Taiwanese doctor then stated the virus outbreak began earlier than assumed, saying, “We must look to September of 2019”.


https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/chinas-coronavirus-a-shocking-update-did-the-virus-originate-in-the-us/?fbclid=IwAR19lHf4eGozdlCuXbrEZR5b6-RpLcOFD0I-eQwADc1fhjg5LywjDQd2L24

KnitNPurlGirl: Thanks, JannyLite.  I’ll do that.

It’s not just this thread, but others as well.
Weird that he ends up in my notifications list, but is nowhere to be found in the discussions.

Be well.
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Thank you so much, hopscotch! 
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  JennVsDiabesity
  First Post Date: 2/6/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
Turmeric assisting both liver and pancreas

I’ve read that turmeric is supposed to assist the liver in keeping blood glucose in check and allegedly helps improve the pancreas’ ability to make insulin.  Also read it slows down the metabolism of carbohydrates after meals.  Does it perhaps really do this by the beneficial effects it has on the gut?

I’ve never taken turmeric.  I’m severely insulin resistant (HOMA-IR 3.61 & Fasting Insulin of 12.7 uIU/mL) as well as type 2 diabetic.  Looking for anything which can help me reverse my insulin and control blood glucose better.

Should I try it?  If so, which brand is affordable and effective?  I have no idea what curcumin is other than that it is in turmeric right?   I don’t know if I should get turmeric and/or curcumin.

 


Dr. Davis : Interesting, Bob. 

Perhaps yet another reason to avoid curcumin that contains any ingredients designed to enhance absorption. Of course, if it does not get absorbed and remains in the intestines, it cannot harm the liver.
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  Afterimages
  First Post Date: 3/26/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
Is there a ‘strength’ to essential oils?
I know many use drops as a measure of dosage. I have Gaia Herbs’ Oil of Oregano capsules. The label states “oregano leaf supercritical CO2 extract - 230mg, Carvacrol & Thymol - 32mg”.  Each capsule contains 2.4g dry leaf equivalent. 

Is there some way to equate this dosage with ‘drops’ of bulk oil?

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  pamoja
  First Post Date: 3/15/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
Expert consensus on comprehensive treatment of coronavirus disease in Shanghai

I believe this paper does not get the right attention it deserves. Especially since Shanghai has been successful and is already lifting restrictions. Also since it contains natural not-patentable medicines, and equally a natural drug only available in China, Japan and India (apperently made from urine of healthy humans) - we wont hear of this protocol even at the height of the outbreak in the West. Translated from the Chinese webside by google translate:




https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA

Expert consensus on comprehensive treatment of coronavirus disease in Shanghai 2019

Shanghai Medical Association 1 week ago

[Editor’s note]

On March 1st, the Chinese Journal of Infectious Diseases, which was hosted by the Shanghai Medical Association, pre-published the "Expert Consensus on Comprehensive Treatment of Coronavirus in Shanghai 2019" (http://rs.yiigle.com/m/yufabiao/1183266 .htm), which has attracted widespread attention in the industry. Shanghai TV also reported on the news last night. This consensus was reached by 30 experts representing the strongest medical force for the treatment of new-type coronavirus pneumonia in Shanghai. Through the study and summary of more than 300 clinical patients, and fully learning from the treatment experience of colleagues at home and abroad, the "Shanghai Plan" was finally formed. At the end of the article, the list of 30 subject experts (18 writing experts and 12 consulting experts) from various medical institutions in Shanghai is attached.


Corona virus disease 2019 (COVID-19) was first reported on December 31, 2019 in Wuhan, Hubei Province. COVID-19, as a respiratory infectious disease, has been included in the Class B infectious diseases stipulated in the Law of the People’s Republic of China on the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases and managed as a Class A infectious disease.

With the deepening of understanding of the disease, COVID-19 has accumulated a certain amount of experience in the prevention and control of COVID-19. The Shanghai New Coronary Virus Disease Clinical Treatment Expert Group follows the National New Coronary Virus Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Program and fully draws on the treatment experience of colleagues at home and abroad in order to improve the success rate of clinical treatment and reduce the patient mortality rate, prevent the progress of the disease, and gradually reduce the disease. The proportion of patients with severe disease improves their clinical prognosis. Based on the continuous optimization and refinement of the treatment plan, expert consensus has been formed on the relevant clinical diagnosis and treatment.

I. Etiology and epidemiological characteristics

2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is a new coronavirus belonging to the genus β. On February 11, 2020, the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) named the virus severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Patients with COVID-19 and asymptomatic infection can transmit 2019-nCoV. Respiratory droplet transmission is the main route of transmission and can also be transmitted through contact. There is also the risk of aerosol transmission in confined enclosed spaces. COVID-19 patients can detect 2019-nCoV in stool, urine, and blood; some patients can still test positive for fecal pathogenic nucleic acid after the pathogenic nucleic acid test of respiratory specimens is negative. The crowd is generally susceptible. Children, infants, and young children also develop disease, but the condition is relatively mild.


Clinical characteristics and diagnosis

(A) clinical characteristics

The incubation period is 1 to 14 d, mostly 3 to 7 d, with an average of 6.4 d. Main symptoms are fever, fatigue, and dry cough. May be accompanied by runny nose, sore throat, chest tightness, vomiting and diarrhea. Some patients have mild symptoms, and a few patients have no symptoms or pneumonia.

The elderly and those suffering from basic diseases such as diabetes, hypertension, coronary atherosclerotic heart disease, and extreme obesity tend to develop severe illness after infection. Some patients develop symptoms such as dyspnea within one week after the onset of the disease. In severe cases, they can progress to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and multiple organ dysfunction. The time to progression to severe illness was approximately 8.5 days. It is worth noting that in the course of severe and critically ill patients, there may be moderate to low fever, even without obvious fever. Most patients have a good prognosis, and deaths are more common in the elderly and those with chronic underlying disease.

The early CT examination showed multiple small patches or ground glass shadows, and the internal texture of the CT scans was thickened in the form of grid cables, which was obvious in the outer lung zone. A few days later, the lesions increased, and the scope expanded, showing extensive lungs, multiple ground glass shadows, or infiltrating lesions, some of which showed consolidation of the lungs, often with bronchial inflation signs, and pleural effusions were rare. A small number of patients progressed rapidly, with imaging changes reaching a peak on days 7 to 10 of the course. Typical "white lung" performance is rare. After entering the recovery period, the lesions are reduced, the scope is narrowed, the exudative lesions are absorbed, part of the fiber cable shadow appears, and some patients’ lesions can be completely absorbed.

In the early stage of the disease, the total number of white blood cells in the peripheral blood was normal or decreased, and the lymphocyte count was reduced. Some patients may have abnormal liver function, and the levels of lactate dehydrogenase, muscle enzyme, and myoglobin increased; Most patients had elevated CRP and ESR levels and normal procalcitonin levels. In severe cases, D-dimer levels are elevated, other coagulation indicators are abnormal, lactic acid levels are elevated, peripheral blood lymphocytes and CD4 + T lymphocytes are progressively reduced, and electrolyte disorders and acid-base imbalances are caused by metabolic alkalosis See more. Elevated levels of inflammatory cytokines (such as IL-6, IL-8, etc.) may occur during the disease progression stage.

(B) diagnostic criteria

1. Suspected case: Combined with the following epidemiological history and clinical manifestations. Suspected cases were diagnosed as having any one of epidemiological history and meeting any two of the clinical manifestations, or having no clear epidemiological history but meeting three of the clinical manifestations.

? Epidemiological history: travel history or residence history of Wuhan City and surrounding areas, or other communities with case reports within 14 days before the onset; history of contact with 2019-nCoV infection (positive nucleic acid test) within 14 days before the onset ; Patients with fever or respiratory symptoms from Wuhan and surrounding areas or from communities with case reports within 14 days before the onset of the disease; cluster onset.

? Clinical manifestations: fever and / or respiratory symptoms; with the above-mentioned imaging features of the new coronavirus pneumonia; the total number of white blood cells is normal or decreased in the early stage of onset, and the lymphocyte count is reduced.

2. Confirmed cases: Those with one of the following etiology evidence are diagnosed as confirmed cases.

? Real-time fluorescent reverse transcription PCR detected 2019-nCoV nucleic acid positive.

? Viral gene sequencing revealed high homology with the known 2019-nCoV.

? Except for nasopharyngeal swabs, take sputum as much as possible. Patients undergoing tracheal intubation can collect lower respiratory tract secretions and send viral nucleic acid test positive.

(III) differential diagnosis

It is mainly distinguished from other known viral pneumonias such as influenza virus, parainfluenza virus, adenovirus, respiratory syncytial virus, rhinovirus, human metapneumovirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, etc. , Different from Mycoplasma pneumoniae, Chlamydia pneumonia and bacterial pneumonia. In addition, it must be distinguished from non-infectious diseases such as pulmonary interstitial lesions and organizing pneumonia caused by connective tissue diseases such as vasculitis and dermatomyositis.

(IV) clinical classification

1. Mild: The clinical symptoms are slight, and no pneumonia manifestations on imaging examination.

2. Ordinary type: fever, respiratory tract symptoms, etc. Pneumonia manifestations on imaging examination.

Early warning of severe cases of common patients should be strengthened. Based on current clinical studies, elderly (aged> 65 years) with underlying diseases, CD4 + T lymphocyte counts <250 / µL, blood IL-6 levels significantly increased, and lesions were found on lung imaging on 2 to 3 days Significant progress> 50%, lactic dehydrogenase (LDH)> 2 times the upper limit of normal value, blood lactic acid ≥3 mmol / L, metabolic alkalosis, etc. are all early warning indicators of severe disease.

3. Heavy: Any one of the following.

? Shortness of breath, respiratory rate ≥ 30 times / min;

? In resting state, arterial oxygen saturation (SaO2) ≤ 93%;

? arterial partial pressure of oxygen, PaO2) / fraction of inspired oxygen (FiO2) ≤300 mmHg (1 mmHg = 0.133 kPa). At high altitudes (above 1 000 m), PaO2 / FiO2 should be corrected according to the following formula: PaO2 / FiO2 × [Atmospheric Pressure (mmHg) / 760].

Pulmonary imaging examination showed that the lesions progressed significantly within 24 to 48 hours, and those with more than 50% of the lesions were managed as severe.

4. Dangerous: A person who meets any of the following conditions can be judged as critical.

? Respiratory failure occurs and requires mechanical ventilation;

? Shock occurs;

? Combined with other organ failure, ICU monitoring and treatment is required.

(V) Clinical monitoring

The patient’s clinical manifestations, vital signs, fluid volume, gastrointestinal function and mental state are monitored daily.

All patients were dynamically monitored for terminal blood oxygen saturation. For critically ill and critically ill patients, timely blood gas analysis is performed according to the changes in the condition; blood routine, electrolytes, CRP, procalcitonin, LDH, blood coagulation function indicators, blood lactic acid, etc. are tested at least once every 2 days; liver function, kidney function , ESR, IL-6, IL-8, lymphocyte subsets, at least once every 3 days; chest imaging examination, usually every 2 days. For patients with ARDS, routine ultrasound examination of the heart and lungs at the bedside is recommended to observe extravascular lung water and cardiac parameters. For monitoring of extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) patients, refer to the implementation section of ECMO.

Treatment plan

(A) antiviral treatment

You can try hydroxychloroquine sulfate or chloroquine phosphate, or Abidol for oral administration, interferon nebulization and inhalation, interferon κ is preferred, and interferon α recommended by the national scheme can also be applied. It is not recommended to use 3 or more antivirals at the same time. The viral nucleic acid should be stopped in time after it becomes negative. The efficacy of all antiviral drugs remains to be evaluated in further clinical studies.

For patients with severe and critical viral nucleic acid positives, recovery patients can be tested for recovery plasma. For detailed operation and management of adverse reactions, please refer to the "Clinical Treatment Program for Recovery of New Coronary Pneumonia Patients During Recovery Period" (trial version 1). Infusion within 14 days of the onset may be more effective. If the viral nucleic acid is continuously detected at the later stage of the disease, the recovery period of plasma treatment can also be tried.

(B) treatment of light and ordinary patients

Supportive treatment needs to be strengthened to ensure sufficient heat; pay attention to water and electrolyte balance to maintain internal environment stability; closely monitor patient vital signs and finger oxygen saturation. Give effective oxygen therapy in time. Antibacterials and glucocorticoids are not used in principle. The patient’s condition needs to be closely monitored. If the disease progresses significantly and there is a risk of turning into severe, it is recommended to take comprehensive measures to prevent the disease from progressing to severe. Low-dose short-course glucocorticoids can be used with caution (see the application section of glucocorticoids for specific protocols). ). Heparin anticoagulation and high-dose vitamin C are recommended. Low-molecular-weight heparin 1 to 2 per day, continued until the patient’s D-dimer level returned to normal. Once fibrinogen degradation product (FDP) ≥10 µg / mL and / or D-dimer ≥5 μg / mL, switch to unfractionated heparin. Vitamin C is administered at a dose of 50 to 100 mg / kg per day, and the continuous use time is aimed at a significant improvement in the oxygenation index. If lung lesions progress, it is recommended to apply a large-dose broad-spectrum protease inhibitor, ulinastatin, at 600 to 1 million units / day until the pulmonary imaging examination improves. In the event of a "cytokine storm", intermittent short veno-venuous hemofiltration (ISVVH) is recommended.

(C) Organ function supportive treatment for severe and critically ill patients

1. Protection and maintenance of circulatory function: implement the principle of early active controlled fluid replacement. It is recommended to evaluate the effective volume and initiate fluid therapy as soon as possible after admission. Severe patients can choose intravenous or transcolonic fluid resuscitation depending on the conditions. The preferred supplement is lactated Ringer’s solution. Regarding vasoactive drugs, noradrenaline and dopamine are recommended to maintain vascular tone and increase cardiac output. For patients with shock, norepinephrine is the first choice. It is recommended to start low-dose vasoactive drugs at the same time as fluid resuscitation to maintain circulation stability and avoid excessive fluid infusion. Cardioprotective drugs are recommended for severe and critically ill patients, and sedative drugs that inhibit the heart are avoided as much as possible. For patients with sinus bradycardia, isoprenaline can be used. For patients with sinus rhythm, a heart rate of <50 beats / min and hemodynamic instability, intravenous pumping of low-dose isoproterenol or dopamine is recommended to maintain the heart rate at about 80 beats / min.

2. Reduce pulmonary interstitial inflammation: 2019-nCoV leads to severe pulmonary interstitial lesions that can cause pulmonary function deterioration. It is recommended to use a large dose of a broad-spectrum protease inhibitor ulinastatin.

3. Protection of renal function: Reasonable anticoagulant therapy and appropriate fluid therapy are recommended as soon as possible. See chapter "Cytokine storm" for prevention, protection and maintenance of circulatory function.

4. Protection of intestinal function: Prebiotics can be used to improve the intestinal microecology of patients. Use raw rhubarb (15-20 g plus 150 ml warm boiling water) or Dachengqi decoction for oral administration or enema.

5. Nutritional support: parenteral nutrition is preferred, via nasal feeding or via jejunum. The whole protein nutrient preparation is preferred, and the energy is 25 to 35 kcal / kg (1 kcal = 4.184 kJ) per day.

6. Prevention and treatment of cytokine storm: It is recommended to use large doses of vitamin C and unfractionated heparin. Large doses of vitamin C are injected intravenously at a dose of 100 to 200 mg / kg per day. The duration of continuous use is to significantly improve the oxygenation index. The use of large Dose of the broad-spectrum protease inhibitor ulinastatin, given 1.6 million units, once every 8 h, under mechanical ventilation, when the oxygenation index> 300 mmHg can be reduced to 1 million units / d. Anticoagulation can be taken The treatment protects endothelial cells and reduces the release of cytokines. When FDP ≥ 10 µg / mL and / or D-dimer ≥ 5 μg / mL, heparin (3-15 IU / kg per hour) is given anticoagulation. Heparin is used for the first time. The patient’s coagulation function and platelets must be re-examined 4 h later. ISVVH is used for 6 to 10 h every day.

7. Sedation and artificial hibernation: Patients undergoing mechanical ventilation or receiving ECMO need to be sedated on the basis of analgesia. For patients with severe man-machine confrontation during the establishment of artificial airways, short-term application of low-dose muscle relaxants is recommended. Hibernation therapy is recommended for severe patients with oxygenation index <200 mmHg. Artificial hibernation therapy can reduce the body’s metabolism and oxygen consumption, and at the same time dilate the pulmonary blood vessels to significantly improve oxygenation. It is recommended to use continuous intravenous bolus medication, and the patient’s blood pressure should be closely monitored. Use opioids and dexmedetomidine with caution. Because severely ill patients often have elevated IL-6 levels, which can easily lead to bloating, opioids should be avoided; 2019-nCoV can still inhibit sinus node function and cause sinus bradycardia, so it should be used with caution on the heart. Inhibitory sedatives. In order to prevent the occurrence and exacerbation of lung infections, and to avoid prolonged excessive sedation, try to withdraw muscle relaxants as soon as possible. It is recommended to monitor the depth of sedation closely.

8. Oxygen therapy and respiratory support:

? nasal cannula or mask oxygen therapy, SaO2 ≤93% under resting air condition, or SaO2 <90% after activity, or oxygenation index (PaO2 / FiO2) 200-300 mmHg; With or without respiratory distress; continuous oxygen therapy is recommended.

? High flow oxygen through the nose High-flow nasal cannula oxygen therapy (HFNC), receiving nasal cannula or mask oxygen therapy for 1 to 2 hours, oxygenation fails to meet the treatment requirements, and there is no improvement in respiratory distress; Increased distress; or oxygenation index of 150-200 mmHg; HFNC is recommended.

? Noninvasive positive pressure ventilation (NPPV), receiving 1 to 2 h of HFNC oxygenation does not achieve the treatment effect, and there is no improvement in respiratory distress; or hypoxemia and / or exacerbation of respiratory distress during treatment; or When the oxygenation index is 150 ~ 200 mmHg; NPPV can be selected.

? Invasive mechanical ventilation, HFNC or NPPV treatment does not meet the treatment requirements for 1 to 2 hours of oxygenation, and respiratory distress does not improve; or hypoxemia and / or exacerbation of respiratory distress during treatment; or oxygenation index <150 mmHg; invasive ventilation should be considered. Protective ventilation strategies with a small tidal volume (4-8 mL / kg ideal body mass) as the core are preferred.

9. Implementation of ECMO: Those who meet one of the following conditions may consider implementing ECMO.

? PaO2 / FiO2 <50 mmHg for more than 1 h;

? PaO2 / FiO2 <80 mmHg for more than 2 h;

? Arterial blood pH <7.25 with PaCO2> 60 mmHg for more than 6 h. #

ECMO mode is preferred for intravenous-venous ECMO.

(IV) Special problems and treatment in treatment

1. Application of glucocorticoids: Use glucocorticoids with caution. Imaging showed significant progress in pneumonia. Patients with SaO2 ≤ 93% or shortness of breath (respiratory frequency ≥ 30 breaths / min) or oxygenation index ≤ 300 mmHg in the state of no oxygen inhalation. Glucocorticoids can be added at the risk of intubation. Patients are advised to withdraw promptly from glucocorticoid use when intubation or ECMO support can maintain effective blood oxygen concentrations. For non-severe patients using methylprednisolone, the recommended dose is controlled at 20 to 40 mg / d, severe patients are controlled at 40 to 80 mg / d, and the course of treatment is generally 3 to 6 days. Can be increased or decreased according to the body weight.

2. Use of immunoregulatory drugs: Subcutaneous injection of thymosin 2 to 3 times per week has certain effects on improving patients’ immune function, preventing the disease from becoming worse, and shortening the time of detoxification. Due to the lack of specific antibodies, high-dose intravenous immunoglobulin therapy is currently not supported. However, some patients have low levels of lymphocytes and the risk of co-infection with other viruses. Human immunoglobulin can be infused intravenously at 10 g / d for 3 to 5 days.

3. Accurate diagnosis and treatment of combined bacterial and fungal infections: clinical microbiological monitoring of all severe and critically ill patients. The sputum and urine of the patients are kept daily for culture, and the patients with high fever should be cultured in time. All patients with suspected sepsis who have indwelling vascular catheters should be sent for peripheral venous blood culture and catheter blood culture at the same time. All patients with suspected sepsis may consider collecting peripheral blood for molecular diagnostic tests for etiology, including PCR-based molecular biology testing and next-generation sequencing.

Elevated procalcitonin levels have implications for the diagnosis of sepsis / septic shock. When patients with new type of coronavirus pneumonia get worse, there is an increase in the level of CRP, which is not specific for the diagnosis of sepsis caused by bacterial and fungal infections.

Critically ill patients with open airways are often prone to bacterial and fungal infections at a later stage. If sepsis occurs, empirical anti-infective treatment should be given as soon as possible. For patients with septic shock, empirical antibacterial drugs can be used in combination before obtaining an etiological diagnosis, while covering the most common Enterobacteriaceae, Staphylococcus and Enterococcus infections. Patients with infection after hospitalization can choose β-lactamase inhibitor complex. If the treatment effect is not good, or the patient has severe septic shock, it can be replaced with carbapenem drugs. If considering enterococci and staphylococcal infections, glycopeptide drugs (vancomycin) can be added for empirical treatment. Daptomycin can be used for bloodstream infections, and linezolid can be used for lung infections. Attention should be paid to catheter-related infections in critically ill patients, and treatment should be empirically covered with methicillin-resistant staphylococci. Glycopeptide drugs (vancomycin) can be used for empirical treatment. Candida infection is also more common in critically ill patients. Candida should be covered empirically when necessary. Echinocin drugs can be added. With the length of hospitalization of critically ill patients, drug-resistant infections have gradually increased. At this time, the use of antibacterial drugs must be adjusted according to drug sensitivity tests.

4. Nosocomial infection prevention and control:

? In accordance with the Basic System for Infection Prevention and Control of Medical Institutions (Trial) of the National Health and Health Commission in 2019, actively implement evidence-based infection prevention and control clustering intervention strategies to effectively prevent ventilator-related pneumonia and Multidrug-resistant bacteria and fungal infections such as catheter-related bloodstream infections, catheter-related urinary tract infections, carbapenem-resistant gram-negative bacilli.

? Strictly follow the National Health and Health Commission’s "Technical Guide for the Prevention and Control of New Coronavirus Infection in Medical Institutions (First Edition)", "Guidelines for the Use of Common Medical Protective Products in the Prevention and Control of Pneumonia of New Coronavirus Infection (Trial)" and "New Coronary Pneumonia" During the epidemic period, the technical guidelines for protection of medical personnel (trial implementation), strengthened process management, correctly selected and used personal protective equipment such as masks, gowns, protective clothing, eye masks, protective masks, gloves, and strict implementation of various disinfection and isolation measures. Minimize the risk of nosocomial infections and prevent 2019-nCoV infections in hospitals by medical staff.

5. Treatment of infants and young children: Only mild symptomatic oral treatment is needed for mild children. In addition to symptomatic oral administration for children with common type, treatment with syndrome differentiation can be considered. If combined with bacterial infection, antibacterial drugs can be added. Severely ill children are mainly symptomatic and supportive treatment. Ribavirin injection was given antiviral therapy empirically at 15 mg / kg (2 times / day). The course of treatment did not exceed 5 days.

(V) Treatment plan of integrated traditional Chinese and western medicine

The combination of traditional Chinese and western medicine for the treatment of new coronavirus pneumonia can improve the synergistic effect. For adult patients, the condition can be improved through TCM syndrome differentiation. For light patients, those with a syndrome of wind-heat type are given the traditional Chinese medicine Yinqiaosan plus and minus treatment; those with gastrointestinal symptoms and those with damp-wetting and yang-type syndrome are given the addition and subtraction of Zhipu Xialing Decoction and Sanren Decoction. For ordinary patients, those with syndromes of hot and evil stagnation of lungs can be treated with Chinese medicine Ma Xing Shi Gan Decoction; those with syndromes of dampness and stagnation of lungs can be treated with traditional Chinese medicine Da Yuan Yin, Gan Lu Fang Dan, etc., which can be controlled to some extent Progression of the disease, reducing the occurrence of common to severe; for anorexia, nausea, bloating, fatigue, anxiety and insomnia, the addition and subtraction of Chinese medicine Xiao Chai Hu Tang can significantly improve symptoms. For severe patients, if the fever persists, or even the high fever, bloating, and dry stools are closed, and those who are heat-tolerant and the lungs are closed, give the Chinese medicine Dachengqi Decoction enema to relieve fever or reduce fever, or use Chinese medicine. The treatment of Baihu Decoction, Shengjiang San and Xuanbai Chengqi Decoction were added and subtracted to cut off the condition and reduce the occurrence of heavy to critical illness. Children with light patients, when the disease belongs to the defender, can be added or subtracted from Yinqiaosan or Xiangsusan. Ordinary children, those with damp heat and closed lungs, are given Ma Xing Shi Gan Decoction and Sanren Decoction; those with moderate scorching dampness and heat such as bloating and vomiting with abdominal distension can be added or subtracted without changing Jinzhengqi San. For severe patients with epidemic and closed lung (currently rare in the country), please refer to adult Xuanbai Chengqi Decoction and Manna Disinfection Danjiao; if the poison is hot, the gas can’t pass, and the medicines are not good, the Rhubarb Decoction is given to enema for emergency.

(VI) Discharge standards

Patients who meet the following conditions at the same time can be considered for discharge: ?The body temperature returns to normal> 3 d;

?Respiratory symptoms are significantly improved;

?Imaging examination of the lungs shows that the acute exudative lesions are significantly improved; At least 1 d);

? After the nucleic acid test of the respiratory specimen is negative, the fecal pathogen nucleic acid test is also negative;

? The total disease course exceeds 2 weeks.

(VII) Health management of discharged patients

1. For discharged patients, close follow-up is still required. Follow-up is recommended from 2 weeks and 4 weeks after discharge to the designated follow-up clinic.

2. When the patient is discharged from the hospital, the place of residence and address in the city should be specified.

3. Patients should rest at home for 2 weeks after leaving the hospital, avoid activities in public places, and must wear masks when going out.

4. According to the patient’s address (including hotel or hotel), the relevant district health and health committee will organize the corresponding medical institution to do a good job of health management. Professionals will visit the patient’s temperature twice a day for 2 weeks, ask their health status, and carry out related health education.

5. If fever and / or respiratory symptoms recur, the corresponding medical institution shall report to the District Health and Health Commission and the District Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a timely manner, and assist in sending them to the designated medical institution in the area for treatment.

6. After receiving the report, the District Health and Health Committee and the District Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report to the superior department in a timely manner.

 

 


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  Michael David
  First Post Date: 11/20/2019,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
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YES it was that test kit Bob..   thanks for the feedback on the results...   appreciate your time.  
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Thank YOU again, Hopscotch...  
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  Toby Lime
  First Post Date: 3/26/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
I wonder if anyone is ready to Exchange...
I’m in Florida now. I didn’t plan to stay for more than 2 weeks ,but you know what happened ...

I have all of my biogaia in Indiana. I wonder if somebody will be willing to send me 10 tablets biogaia so I can start LR yogurt. I will return it immediately after I get back to Indiana. I can send a private message with my coordinates to the person that will be willing to do so.

Thank you.

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  RoniSue
  First Post Date: 3/18/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
ACE2 expression (coronavirus binding)

Someone asked Mark Sisson what he thought about taking Vitamin D at this time. Here is what he said. I’m curious to see what Dr. Davis thinks about this angle. I had heard that some Inner Circle people are taking mega-doses for a few weeks to combat coronavirus. ???

“This is a tricky one. Normally, I’d say yes, it can’t hurt and very well might help. But with coronavirus, that gets more complicated. One thing vitamin D may have the potential to do is increase ACE2 expression, and ACE2 is the same receptor to which coronavirus binds. It’s the “entry point,” how it gets in and starts destroying cells. Organs with high rates of ACE2 receptors, like the lungs, appear to be the most affected organs.

If vitamin D increases ACE2 in the lungs, for example, that could leave you more open to infection. I certainly would avoid “megadoses” of vitamin D. If you take it, do something like 1000 IUs max, or get it through food (salmon, sardines, pastured eggs, mushrooms) or cod liver oil.”


Auggiedoggie: I got freaked by Kresser after I had ordered high dose D and propolis. Both he retracted from recommending. Received lots of advice from all directions to keep D under 400.  So, like ibuprofen, will err on side of caution. 
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  DavidC2
  First Post Date: 3/26/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
CAC of 4286. Seventy year old male. Seeking advice.
Hello. I recently suggested my father have a CAC scan and it came back very high. 

4286
44.2 in LMA
861.7 in LAD
1876.6 in LCX
1504 in RCA

He hasn’t had an NMR panel so I don’t know the details but I do know his HDL to Triglyceride ratio is 3. His cardiologist said he should start a high dose of Lipitor immediately and re test his blood in 6 months. I started him on the undoctored diet and supplement protocol and suggested he wait before committing to the statin and re test after the same time period. There’s heart disease in the family. His Mom had a major heart attack at 55 and died at 67. I’m looking for opinions and insight as to the best path for him. I’m not a doctor so I don’t want to endanger him by giving him ill informed information. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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  sanramz
  First Post Date: 1/11/2011,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
Is fish oil a blood thinner?
I see a lot of foods and teas that have a warning about taking htem when taking blood thinners. So was wondering if high doeses of fish oil count as a blood thinner. Is there a test to know if blood is too thin?

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  searcher7
  First Post Date: 8/3/2018,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
Long lasting effects of Coenzyme Q10 and selenium on cardiovascular mortality
Researchers found that a combination of CoQ10 and selenium not only slashed risk of dying from heart disease, but conferred protection that persisted for years even though the study participants were no longer taking the supplements.

Elderly participants in a Swedish trial  took coenzyme Q10 and selenium for four years. Researchers found that after 12 years the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease was still lower in those who had received the supplements than in the control group.

Specifically, the team found that the risk of cardiovascular mortality was 41 percent lower among participants who had received the supplements from 2003 to 2007. Other benefits included improved cardiac function, reduced oxidative stress and decreased fibrosis (scarring) and inflammation. 

PLoS One. 2018 Apr 11;13(4):e0193120. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0193120. eCollection 2018.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29641571

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26624886

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27367855

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  E-laine
  First Post Date: 12/16/2019,   Last Post Date: 3/27/2020
Heart Failure: Can aortic valve be de-calcified?
These are my dad’s numbers.  Can he do anything to fix his calcified aortic valve?  I noticed that the calcification is composed of oxalate crystals.  He is now on a low oxalate diet.  Any commentary is welcome:

Injection faction = 35-37
Area= 1 centimeter
Blood pressures in morning ranging between 132/74 to 149/68  sometimes as low as 96/53

HGBA1C% 7.1 % in Oct 2019


Glucose in the morning (fasted overnight)  ranging between 115-135 depending on if he has done a 24 hour fast.

BUN= throughout 2019 since March
March 2019:38 57 30 27 42 46 47 50 39 Dec 2019:38

Creatinine= throughout 2019 since June
June 2019: 2.02 1.70 1.53 1.68 1.61 1.59 1.58 1.94 1.88 Dec 2019:1.94

Electrolytes are all in range

Albumin= throughout 2019 since May
May 2019: 3.0 3.3 2.9 3.0 Dec 2019: 3.0

GFR= throughout 2019 since June
June 2019: 28 35 40 35 37 38 38 30 31 Dec 2019:30

25-Hydroxyvitamin= throughout 2019 since July
July 2019: 27 43 19 21 18 40 Dec 2019: 32

Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy, D2 = throughout 2019 since July
<4 <4 <4 7 11 26 9

Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy, D3 = throughout 2019 since July
27 43 19 14 7 14 23

Calcium = throughout 2019 since March
March 2019: 9.1 8.9 9.2 9.8 9.1 9.1 8.9 8.6 Dec 2019: 9.3

Urinalysis: 
 Glucose and Ketones negative in urine
 Specific Gravity=1.01
 UA HGB=0.03
 PH, UA=5
 Protein, UA=   >=500 (3+) mg/dL
 PROTEIN, UA >=500 (3+) mg/dL
 NITRITE, UA Negative
 LEUKOCYTE ESTERASE, UA Negative
 UROBILINOGEN, UA, QL Negative mg/dL
 BILIRUBIN, UA Negative mg/dL


No shortness of breath and no chest pain.

Taking these pharmaceuticals/supplements:
Levotyroxin 25mcg
Amlodipine 2.5mg
D3 5000 iu
SlowMag nesium 143mg
Pyridoxal 5’ Phosphate P5P 50mg
Fish oil recently stopping as we research vitamin A toxicity 

Taking newly:

 Iodine Ionic Minerals brand as potassium iodide 226mcg
 Thorne Vitamin D/K2 Thorne D 1000IU  K2 200 mcg (taken irregularly) 
 Now liquid B12 B Complex
 Country Life Biotin spray 

 He is also eating 1/2 cup daily of the yogurt that we are newly making
  Planning on getting the Aire device too to get baseline

Interesting to me:
Aortic valve calcification is a condition in which calcium deposits form on the aortic valve in the heart. These deposits can cause narrowing at the opening of the aortic valve. This narrowing can become severe enough to reduce blood flow through the aortic valve — a condition called aortic valve stenosis.

Oxalates in aortic valve calcification from this article:
https://casereports.bmj.com/content/2017/bcr-2017-220368
Aortic valve leaflets and necrotic-appearing thymic lymph node tissue were submitted for histology and special stains. Cultures were negative and histology did not show evidence of infection. Tissue histology demonstrated extensive dystrophic calcifications, which were polarised to reveal abundant calcium oxalate crystals. 

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  CooperD
  First Post Date: 3/22/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
Are there any good cooked potatoes for us?
I have been grain-free since mid-2016 and have enjoyed most of the benefits that lifestyle provides.  My spouse has been enthusiastically working hard to convert favorite recipes and search for new grain-free foods so I thank her for that.  However, she remains defiant and won’t give up on the cooked white potato ban.  She constantly is searching for food articles that supports her theory that eating say Yukon Gold or Baby Red potatoes are just fine and don’t provide the same sugar explosion that say an Idaho Russet delivers.  Can we open a topic to discuss ALL of the potato groups one more time so the mysteries can be put to rest.  Or, if this has already been done, please send me to the source of information.  Thanks!

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  flyinghorseman
  First Post Date: 3/26/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
Following program after Stents
After having several stents I am relatively new to the program. Do I need to modify anything or do different blood tests etc

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  beavercreekpilot
  First Post Date: 3/26/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
New Book - Magnesium: Reversing Disease by Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD
After reading Wheat Belly Total Health in 2015, I followed Dr. Davis advice to supplement Magnesium. The positive effects kicked in almost immediately, with the most notable being a consistent, and comfortable, pattern of elimination. My sleep benefited as well. So I’ve taken magnesium on a daily basis ever since.

So I was intrigued when Dr. Levy published his new book. I’d read many of Dr. Levy’s other books and watched his lectures on Vitamin C, Iron, and the systemic damage caused by oral cavity infections. This book started out as a tough slog. The first quarter of the book is, in my estimation, aimed at Health Care Providers and bludgeons the reader with study after study and clinical experiences that supports the supplementation of magnesium for overall health as well as the intravenous use in acute cases. It’s very repetitive. Dr. Levy will not let you use the excuse "Well, there’s no data to support using magnesium." The hell there isn’t.

The chapters after that settle in to a presentation of the material that is more consumable for a lay person like myself. He ties together the importance of serum and cellular levels of magnesium, Vitamin C and D, estrogen, testosterone, and insulin.

Do you need to read this book? No. Dr. Davis has given us more than the basics to understand why magnesium supplementation is important. But if you are fascinated as I am by the mechanics of how this all works and picking up additional distinctions that increase your understanding of the science, you may want to consider this book.

To your health and your liberty.

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  fjyd3259
  First Post Date: 2/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
WB diet question

I have a question about the WB diet that I would like help with. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. I’m also hoping Dr Davis will comment if he’s around.

The question I have is, does the WB diet need your thyroid to be performing reasonably well in order for a) it to work and you to lose weight and b) you to not gain weight as a result of not limiting your daily calorie intake? Is there little point even attempting to lose weight (lose fat) on the WB diet if you suffer from hypothyroidism?

And when suffering from hypothyroidism, what happens to you when you follow a low calorie diet or very low calorie diet? Do you only lose muscle and not fat? (Or do you lose both?) And is a calorie restricted diet more likely to result in weight loss (fat loss) than the WB diet in people who suffer from hypothyroidism? (I’m not talking about people who don’t suffer from hypothyroidism.)


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  Toby Lime
  First Post Date: 3/22/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
Coronavirus - Voices of Reason
Coronavirus - Voices of Reason

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We’re all so excited to share what we know and what we’re doing at home to work through this unprecedented situation.

To access this free online event, all you need to do is register below and you’ll receive an email with the event link. On Sunday, click the link a few minutes before 3 PM Eastern time and we’ll see you there.

Please share the link to this event with all your friends and family. Our goal is to have this free event be a source of calm and empowerment during these challenging times. For anyone who is unable to make it for all or part of the event, register anyway. I’ll be sending everyone access to the full replay.

I will be interviewing each guest for 30 minutes and you’ll have time to ask each of them questions. The schedule for our event will be as follows:

3:00 pm Intro and situation update – Tom
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4:15-4:45 pm - Joan Rosenberg, PhD 
4:45-5:15 pm – Roseann Capanna-Hodge, PhD
5:15-5:45 pm – Heather Paulson, ND
5:45-6:00 pm - Wrap up with Tom 

Please note, everyone on this call is donating their time for our benefit. We will do our best to keep the schedule as above. We reserve the right to make changes in the schedule as needed. Thanks for your understanding.

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Toby Lime: ... there are no zinc lozenges anywhere ,so I guess we are going to eat oysters... tomorrow I’ll be buying pumpkin seeds as well... I’ve been thinking to make pumpkin seeds I fat-bombs
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Toby Lime: Dr. Bernstein https://youtu.be/bNA34NYOQew
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  wisewoman
  First Post Date: 5/8/2018,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
Patient-Led Testing Labs
I know I’ve seen a list here, but I can’t seem to find the thread now.

Can anyone provide links to the LabCorp, Quest, etc. patient-led testing portals?

Thank you!

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Dr. Davis : Why not just Google "heart scan" + the state you are looking for? There will be ads for centers offering CT heart scans.
Posted: 3/26/2020


  Rodney D
  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
ZMA as immune booster support?
Each cap contains Mg (as magnesium aspartate) 150mg, Zn (as zinc mono-l-methionine sulfate, as zinc aspartate) 10mg, and B6 (as pyridoxine HCl) 3.5 mg. Can be taken as much as 3 per day, I would take 1 or 2 adjusting to need. Any thoughts esp on the aspartate forms?



ARO-Vitacost Black Series ZMA® with Zinc, Magnesium and Vitamin B6 -- 180 Capsules

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  DaveR1
  First Post Date: 3/26/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
L- Reuteri yogurt ~How much daily consumption ?
We have our first batch growing ready for tomorrow.

What’s a good daily intake amount?

Dave 

CharlotteTX: Great Dave, keep us posted on the results.  

Posted: 3/26/2020

DaveR1: Thanks Charlotte!   I get a kick out of making magnesium water too!  I would be thrilled to have yogurt- improved sleep!

Can’t wait till its done at 0830 tomorrow.  I’m making two quarts !

 
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  Iron Man
  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/26/2020
My Yogurt Experiments
to serve as a journal of processes and outcomes as follows:

L. Reuteri 6475
L. Reuteri 1E1 (which I cant find anything that has been published)
L. Reuteri JBD4 - the JBD301 supposedly targets free fatty acids that come from triglycerides. 
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L. Casei has my attention as well.

I have used Innate 50-14’s over time and want to see if i batch them up if there is more efficacy.  I have had moderate success with these caps. https://www.innateresponse.com/product-p/40128.htm

Vitamin charged yogurt:  I have been noodling the infusion of nutritional yeast, natural to nature, in comparison to synthetic B complex, probably life extension caps.  also infusing with egg white protein.




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  Bob Niland
  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/25/2020
2020-04-01 (***Wed***) 7:00PM CDT Vmeet thread
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  Bishop Ransom
  First Post Date: 12/16/2019,   Last Post Date: 3/25/2020
Weight
I have lost weight,however around my waist and stomach I don’t like the bulges.
On my left side of stomach I had a hernia eloped 2006.After having it repaired .
My stomach  on that side is a little larger.Wondering how to further shrink it.
And also what are thoughts on freezing or liposuction  ?

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  JennVsDiabesity
  First Post Date: 1/3/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/25/2020
Important SNPs -- Share your’s / what you think is important.
I’ve been geeking out on my 23AndMe Raw Genetic Data using Promethease along with "Genetic Genie" for Methylation Profile.

Just wondering if people would share which SNPs are the most important to look at?

I know the ApoE and Methylation Profile (MTHFR, MTRR, VDR, COM, etc..) are both important.  Just recently learned about the importance of Factor V Leiden (clot risk) and that is in the 23AndMe raw data as well.

Just today I learned about GSTP1, with respect to Vitamin E supplementation.

Any other significant ones people would like to share here?

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Of what I mentioned above here are my results:

ApoE e2/e4 (yuck I am pretty carb intolerant but already knew that.. also my poor arteries? CAC soon.)

From Genetic Genie using raw 23andme data:
MTHFR -- not a single mutation (all -/-). (Folic acid in multivitamin is fine for me I presume)
MTRR -- only one mutation:  MTRR A66G (+/+)  So I supplement with 500 mcg Methyl B12 lozenge now.
VDR Taq (+/+): so I am gonna make sure I am at 70 ng/mL Vit D 25 Hydroxy for sure now.

Factor V Leiden rs6025. I’m (G;G) / (-/-) so not at high risk for DVT or clotting.  (Can you believe this genetic DNA test is $249 at walkinlab.com?  I love 23andMe raw data!)

GSTP1: rs1695. I’m (A;A) / (-/-) so I guess I don’t need Vitamin E supplementation? (Thanks VenSub/Malcom)

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Look forward to more SNPs!  Please share your SNPs and what you think is important beyond these.  I have no idea what to look for in Promethease because I am not smart enough to know what is useful!

JannyLite: Toby Lime: Did you ever post all your data to the Forum for Dr. Davis, Bob, et al’s review? Perhaps they may notice something. I’m always surprised how they find a tweak that puts everything in perspective and off ya go.

Jan
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  Bob Niland
  First Post Date: 3/18/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/25/2020
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Toby Lime: Thanks for fixing the problem
Posted: 3/25/2020

Toby Lime: Like I said under the topic heart scan part 2 I have on display a meetup instructions...
Posted: 3/25/2020

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  Kathy in OK
  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/25/2020
What a great idea!
Will its location be more prominent?

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  Toby Lime
  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/25/2020
You Should Skip eating rats for dinner
China is ready to give us a new virus so, don’t obsessed with the corona... think ahead 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/hantavirus-kills-man-coronavirus-hit-china-32-others-tested-report.amp


  HeartHawk
  First Post Date: 3/25/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/25/2020
Site Outage 3/25/20 at 10AM
To All;

There was a brief site outage this morning, 3/25/20, at about 10AM CDT, for approximately 5 minutes, related to a temporary issue with "elastic IP association" (well, that’s what the server people told us).  Was it coronavirus Internet overload?  Who knows!  Frankly, the experts are amazed the ’Net is holding up as well as it is given the enormous peak demands.

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  Rodney D
  First Post Date: 12/17/2019,   Last Post Date: 3/24/2020
Why special diets can backfire
For those struggling with weight loss and diet the Kresser group has some interesting advice which may hold some golden nuggets.

How to Limit Restrictive Eating and Develop a Healthy Food Mindset

Also they have a job opening in non-SoC for the right person:

Chris Kresser <info@chriskresser.com>
Dec 17 at 8:14 AM

Hi, Everyone,

In my work with patients, I use a variety of dietary approaches to help address the root causes of chronic disease.

Autoimmune protocol (AIP), low-carb keto, Paleo, low FODMAP, low histamine, low salicylate … all these (and more) can be powerful tools for people who are struggling with complex, chronic symptoms.

But over the past few years, I’ve become concerned about the impact of increasingly restricted diets like keto, carnivore, and strict AIP. 

There’s no doubt that these strategies can be transformative—and even life-changing—for some people. 

However, they can also have a dark side: a negative impact on our mental health and our relationship with food. 

That’s the subject of a recent article by Kresser Institute staff nutritionist Lindsay Christensen. 

As a clinical nutritionist working on the front lines, Lindsay has also witnessed the adverse effects that über-restricted, special diets can have. 

In the article, she shares seven tips for developing a healthy relationship with food—even when a restricted diet is necessary.

I’m focusing on this more and more with my patients. Research has shown that our emotional state while we’re eating can have a significant impact on how we digest and absorb our food. Remember, the gut is just one big bundle of nerves, so if we feel stressed around food, that will influence our digestion. 

Click here to check out the article.

In health,
Chris

P.S. We’re seeking a nurse practitioner or physician assistant to join our growing clinical team at California Center for Functional Medicine. This is a dream job for the right person. Click here to learn more and apply.


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Lizzylammy: Thanks for posting this.  A perspective that I needed to be reminded of.  I can go down that restricted rabbit hole!! 
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  HeidiSorens
  First Post Date: 1/17/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/24/2020
My Diary of SIBO / SIFO Treatment

Here’s the plan for SIBO & SIFO weeks 1 & 2.
Antibactin AR - 2 pills in morning, 2 pills in evening
Antibactin BR - 2 pills in morning, 2 pills in evening
NAC 500mg -1 pill in morning, 1 pill in evening
Curcumin 665mg - 1 pill in morning, 1 pill mid-day, 1 pill in evening
EO’s - 3-4 drops mixed in a Tbsp of coconut oil - morning, mid-day, evening
A mixed-prebiotic smoothie for breakfast

Here’s the plan for SIFO over weeks 3 & 4
NAC 500mg -1 pill in morning, 1 pill in evening
Curcumin 665mg - 1 pill in morning, 1 pill mid-day, 1 pill in evening
EO’s - 4-5 drops of in a Tbsp of oil - morning, mid-day, evening
A mixed-prebiotic smoothie for breakfast
A mix of probiotic foods (but discontinuing l. reuteri 4 to 5 days before retesting with Aire device.)
1 pill per day - Renew Life® Ultimate Flora™ Women’s Care, 90 billion,12 strains

Beyond these four weeks, I’ll continue to repeat the full regimen until Aire numbers test negative.


Days 1& 2 of SIBO/SIFO treatment
Most notable changes since starting the herbal antibiotics include;
1)a sudden acne breakout with distinct rosacea or wind-burned look to my face 2)a flatter stomach, less bloating 3)more restful sleep, deeper sleep 4)a noticeable increase in energy & vitality, 5)somewhat less hot/swollen tongue and gums 7)a few brief dizzy spells and a headache. So far, not too bad, but I’m also making a point of taking charcoal capsules between the herbal antibiotics.

 


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  Fitness
  First Post Date: 2/19/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/24/2020
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  Perdido
  First Post Date: 3/23/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/24/2020
My interview by Channel 3 News, Mobile, Ala about Low Dose Naltrexone & Iodine for Immunity vs Virus
  Because of the Corona virus panic ... and my off an off the cuff Live Interview posted on my Facebook page.. and others.. last week..

  I am being interviewed Tuesday for Channel 3 News, Mobile, Alabama about my use of Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) that improved my immunity so that I have not gotten any Cold, Sinus Infections of Allergies in 9 years. 

 Plus, I am to discuss my research discover that IODINE KILLS VIRUS, and how to use it. 

  I would like to see Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) authorized by a Presidential Executive Order, so it is available OTC. Same with Elemental Iodine for breathing to coat the lungs. I have articles on the Use of Iodine to Cure Pneumonia  and Virus as far back as 150 years ago. 

  Expected broadcast time is Channel 3 News, Mobile, Ala.. . Thursday Night. I am expected to be the LEAD-In to the News Broadcast.  

  If it goes well, they expect it to be Broadcast Nationwide then.


ptheut: Naltrexone plus Iodine???
Posted: 3/24/2020

Malcolm: Perdido:

Your Facebook video is unwatchable for me. I can’t make out the words.
Posted: 3/24/2020

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  TrueFaith
  First Post Date: 3/24/2020,   Last Post Date: 3/24/2020
Optomizing l-reuteri yogurt process
I don’t have the background to understand this 100% but people in this forum do. 

I went in search of research along these lines because of doubts about the linear progression of bacteria growths often cited in this forum. 

Hoping that several people here can boil this down and figure out the optimum formula for yogurt making.  

I currently use 47 hours @ 98 degrees and no inulin on pasteurized grass fed milk. (Horizon)  Great results for a batch of 8, yields 1 a day and the 8th for next inoculation.

My personal goal would be yogurt with 14-28 day refrigerated shelf life, high reuteri counts and low calcium. Texture does not matter to me.  I originally used inulin but after reading that it raises calcium absorption, I ceased adding it to the process.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13594-015-0256-z


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TrueFaith: Might also be helpful. 

https://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/The_Role_of_Bacteria_in_the_Health_Potential_of_Yogurt

Posted: 3/24/2020