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  Venkat S
  First Post Date: 10/14/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Ozone Therapy
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  mark5309
  First Post Date: 10/4/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
CAC SCORE & plaque type
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shana: Mark... exactly. I will be honest, I’m struggling right now with fear. It worries me that there is nothing anywhere citing a plaque as large as mine... and he said it is "lipid rich" soft plaque.

Malcolm, your report looks good!
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  First Post Date: 8/19/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
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Defiant Health Podcasts

 

Edition: 2021-10-21

Dr. Davis launched Defiant Health Radio on 2021-06-30, and made it available on a variety of popular podcast platforms. Those so far launched include: Amazon, Buzzsprout, Buzzsprout RSS, Google, iHeart, Listen Notes, Pocket Cast, Podcast Addict, Podcast Index, Podchaser, Player FM, Spotify, Stitcher. Some of these may require having a login capability on the platform, which may or may not be no-charge. Please report any new sites discovered, or issues with the links provided here.

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#DH2021-10-21: permalink to this episode The Magic of Oxytocin
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#DH2021-10-15: permalink to this episode Collagen: It’s Not Just About Skin Health
   2021-10-15, 0:15:58

#DH2021-10-05: permalink to this episode Does Wheat Cause Heart Disease
   2021-10-05, 0:21:33

#DH2021-09-28: permalink to this episode Do You Have the Oxytocin Deficiency Syndrome?
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#DH2021-09-22: permalink to this episode How a Low-Carb Lifestyle Can Lead To Trouble
   2021-09-22, 0:13:37

#DH2021-09-13: permalink to this episode Interview with Paleovalley co-founder, Autumn Smith and her journey back to health
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#DH2021-09-04: permalink to this episode Interview With Microbiome Guru Brenda Watson
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#DH2021-08-26: permalink to this episode This Is Your Brain On Wheat
   2021-08-26, 0:15:26

#DH2021-08-18: permalink to this episode Iodine Deficiency: The Forgotten Public Health Crisis
   2021-08-18, 0:14:24

#DH2021-08-01: permalink to this episode The Loss of Empathy (and how you can bring it back)
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#DH2021-07-19: permalink to this episode All You Need to Know About CT Heart Scans and Coronary Calcium Scores
   2021-07-19, 0:13:32

#DH2021-07-12: permalink to this episode You don’t have to be a (T2) diabetic
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#DH2021-07-07: permalink to this episode The Mysterious Case of the Missing Microbes
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#DH2021-07-03: permalink to this episode How Big Pharma Bought Big Media
   2021-07-03, 0:08:17

#DH2021-06-30: permalink to this episode Why I Dumped Conventional Healthcare
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  Bob Niland
  First Post Date: 10/13/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
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  Ian989
  First Post Date: 10/18/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Any advice for how to get rid of or relieve acid reflux?
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LCL: I have found that chewing more helps a lot.  Not sure why, but it does.  
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  Malcolm
  First Post Date: 10/21/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Probiotics & Prebiotics - Uh, No.
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  Vicki and David M
  First Post Date: 9/9/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
The cultured coconut, a possible new probiotic source??
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  Ryan
  First Post Date: 5/16/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Vitamin D Blood Levels - Ryan
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  bbrugger
  First Post Date: 9/11/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Looking for audiobooks
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Catherine Miller: Sandor Katz’s books on fermentation. I just put them on my audiobook queue on Scribd app.
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  xtronics
  First Post Date: 3/22/2020,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Relative risks - Coronavirus
Not understanding the attention gap  ... tell me where I am wrong ..

Corona virus - peek (so far) about 50-deaths/day
Car accidents - about -- 100/day  ( all age groups )
Death due to lead exposure  1095/day ( mostly older )

Lancet paper says something like number one cause of early death could well be lead exposure - low levels matter..

The paper says :

"Although we cannot exclude residual confounding, we estimate that about 400 000 deaths are attributable to lead exposure every year in the USA, of which 250 000 are from cardiovascular disease. Concentrations of lead in blood lower than 5 μg/dL (<0·24 μmol/L) are an important, but largely ignored, risk factor for death in the USA, particularly from cardiovascular disease."

"Our findings suggest that, of 2·3 million deaths every year in the USA, about 400 000 are attributable to lead exposure, an estimate that is about ten times larger than the current one."

So my take is 400,000 deaths a year is more important than the coronavirus by - how do I say this? -- A WHOLE LOT !!!  ...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30025-2/fulltext

,.,.,.
Those wanting to reduce their risk might want to consider BG and fattyacids..

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2020/03/ards-and-linoleic-acid.html
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2020/03/cell-surface-oxygen-consumption-4.html

( I have not had influenza after I started low-carb - many many years ago... )
,.,.

Also - might be a link with people taking ace inhibitors and NSAIDs -- too soon to tell (I’ve said before that NSAIDs are not as safe as people think - I would only take a fever reducer if I had a fever over 103.5 - but then I might just do cold compresses..):

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/18/coronavirus-covid-19/

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/03/22/covid-19-update/


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  Sherrie63
  First Post Date: 5/23/2020,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Magnesium Water Questions
Can’t seem to find MOM without sodium hypochlorite in it, was using Good Sense brand from Amazon, which is now unavailable . Any recommendations for other brands? Kroger’s was mentioned but it does contain sodium hypochlorite. Also , while reading the forum I hear talk of possible undeclared calcium in the ingredients, what?!? That’s really the last thing I want to supplement. Can anyone give me more information on this? 

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  CCharlene
  First Post Date: 10/21/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Thyroid test
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  Iron Man
  First Post Date: 10/21/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
Glycemic Confusion
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Kathy in OK: Quoted From Iron Man:
I am eating clean following no wheat grains rice etc, 30 lbs down.

I don’t know enough to advise you on any of the other stuff, but HOT DAMN and congrats on the 30 lbs.!!!
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  Bethadrine
  First Post Date: 5/4/2020,   Last Post Date: 10/21/2021
The L. Reuteri yogurt. First batch done. Do I strain the l...
The L. Reuteri yogurt. First batch done. Do I strain the liquid out, or do I mix it????

ABalliettt: Thanks again, Bob.
I’m so glad you’re so Well that you never have to sleep! 

Thanks for ’reminding me’ to subscribe to topics! 

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  Bob Niland
  First Post Date: 10/20/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
2021-10-27 (Wed) 7:00PM CDT Vmeet thread
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  Ryan
  First Post Date: 10/19/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
Gut Zoomer Test Results: Ryan
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Ryan: Dr Davis if you ever see this, do you have a suspicion of dysbiosis/SIBO from the report? I know it is a very wide topic, but any insights on other markers will be much appreciated as well.
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  Ryan
  First Post Date: 10/20/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
Head-to-Head Comparison: Same Sample - Different Results
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  Ryan
  First Post Date: 7/21/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
70% Discount on Microbiome Testing
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  Lucky Lime
  First Post Date: 8/5/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
It’s over, it’s over, it’s over!!!!!!
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Lucky Lime: This video is long 1 hour.... It’s worth watching it... It’s coming from Ivory Cummings

Monopoly - a Fascinating Documentary on How the World Works
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HeartHawk: Lori:

That would support reason #2, we now have stuff that works better than convalescent plasma which, like the vaccines, was given emergency authorization by the FDA.

HH
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  Ennvee
  First Post Date: 10/17/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
SIBO initial course
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Ennvee: Thanks again!
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  Rog
  First Post Date: 10/20/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
haemorrhoids
Been on the Dr D way for about two months and an old ailment has returned is haemorrhoids. It’s been about two weeks and since my heamarroidectomy 21 years ago my haemorrhoids have been on and off with yearly gaps in some cases . Although the current dose is more irritating than anything else .

I see treatment has moved on since and there is an minimal invasive procedure called Rafeal procedure , I wondered if anyone as any thoughts on this .

best 
Rog

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  Ian989
  First Post Date: 10/19/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/20/2021
Do UIC members get a discount on Cutting Edge Cultures?
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Ian989: Thanks Ryan and Heart Hawk, much appreciated. I think I might fork over the money for a fresh pack. I never knew about the 15% off of Sugar Shift. Great information
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Ryan: This is great idea! Also I have extra sachets that can share with members within Canada - feel free to message me.
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  camsi
  First Post Date: 10/10/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/19/2021
Experiment: Glucose Impact via CGM w Cooked Potato - Exaggerated Response OK?
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  camsi
  First Post Date: 10/19/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/19/2021
Morning meds/supplements before fasting labs?
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  Progutforme
  First Post Date: 10/18/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/19/2021
Effects on the gut from Pfizer booster shot
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Lori_Miller: Maybe it has to do with your ACE 2 receptors. 
Posted: 10/19/2021

Progutforme: I should add that it initially felt like when I used to get glutened. It terrified me because it always got severely painful. Fortunately it didn’t go that direction and gradually got less painful.
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  mjweb
  First Post Date: 10/19/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/19/2021
Results from first year of Undoctored - Results are in!
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HeartHawk: MJ:

Thanks, fixed the link!

HH
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  camsi
  First Post Date: 10/18/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/19/2021
Thyroid Ultrasound - Any Questions I Should Ask?
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camsi: Very helpful Malcolm!  Many many thanks!!

Quoted From Malcolm:  That should be enough questions to piss them off.

Lol!!
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  Ian989
  First Post Date: 10/18/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/19/2021
Do we know what bacterial populations a raw potato feeds?
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Ian989: Thanks
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Ian989: Couldn’t find anything. I’m guessing it’s called resistant starch even in raw form. Not exactly sure 
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  Reference
  First Post Date: 10/3/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/18/2021
WBB: The Happiness Microbe?
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  Malcolm
  First Post Date: 9/15/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/18/2021
It’s Not Over
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Lori_Miller: I think it’s a similar idea, but monoclonal antibodies are copies made in a lab. Haven’t looked into plasma transfusions, but I heard the monoclonal antibodies work better. 
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  First Post Date: 10/18/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/18/2021
WBB: You need more kimchi in your life
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  phpath636
  First Post Date: 10/15/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/18/2021
New AIRE2 device tests hydrogen and methane - preorder discount next 2 weeks
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Gill: Thanks Bob :)
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Gill: The AIRE 2 device is listed as $239 on their website … does any one know which currency that is?

Thanks.
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  Abigail
  First Post Date: 10/17/2021,   Last Post Date: 10/18/2021
‘’Blue toe’’
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Abigail: Thank you Dr. Davis, and I will.
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Coffee Contemplations

Coffee Contemplations

Edition: 2017-08-06T1328

In response to mentioning coffee in another thread, a UIC user sent me a PM asking for additional details. The topic has also arisen on the forum historically, and on the WB Blog from time to time.

Program Posture

Coffee is casually mentioned throughout program documents, and is an ingredient in any number of recipes.

Wheat Belly Total Health, page 121 (print edition):
“Interestingly, the heightened responsiveness of the gallbladder to CCK can make some people sensitive to caffeine in coffee, tea, and other sources because it stimulates CCK release and gallbladder contraction.”, which I take to suggest to not increase coffee consumption at the outset of the program, and be mindful of any indications of CCK issues.

Wheat Belly Total Health, page 305:
“Coffee and tea, while they fit into a grain-free lifestyle, cause modest dehydration through their diuretic action.”, so some adjustment of fluid intake might be needed.

Wheat Belly Total Health, page 306:
“But thanks to caffeine and other components, such as chlorogenic acid, 2 to 3 cups per day of caffeinated or decaffeinated coffee or green, oolong, or white tea can yield modest weight-reduction effects. These drinks also provide other health benefits, including reduced potential for diabetes and Parkinson’s disease.”

Green coffee bean extract is deprecated in several places, so it’s not a suggested supplement. If you’re after the polyphenols in coffee, drink coffee.

And that seems to be about it. These focused details were not repeated in Undoctored. My take on that is that they still apply, but they are not a high priority.

In particular, due to the TYP heritage of the UIC site, I don’t seem to find any insights specifically regarding heart disease and coffee. If your doctor has told you something different, they may have just heard it from their lawyer.

So don’t expect a UIC Coffee Protocol. For your entertainment, however, Mark Sisson posts a summary periodically from his Primal point of view. It links to a bunch of further information sources.

My Posture

Firstly, I’m writing of coffee, ideally whole bean, and not instant coffee, nor flavored coffee, nor coffee-based beverages (including probably all of the named beverages at Starbucks). If the package Ingredients list has anything other than “coffee”, you’re on your own.

I’m also presuming black coffee (nothing added). There’s no theoretical problem with adding stuff, like cream, safe sweetener, MCT oil, A2 cream or other healthy fats, and carefully selected flavorants, but I can’t cover all the possibilities.

u2615_hot_beverage How much is ideal for you?

Ask 23andMe. I did, and my CYP1A2 SNP makes me a “fast coffee metabolizer”, so I don’t seem to have any problem up to about 8 cups per day. There are other SNPs that may come into play as well. Here’s a 2015 paper:
Mol Psychiatry: Genome-wide meta-analysis identifies six novel loci associated with habitual coffee consumption

u2615_hot_beverage Timing

I personally aim to finish the pot before 2:00 PM, and never drink coffee with or after an evening meal. We face enough threats to sleep hygiene without adding caffeine.

u2615_hot_beverage What About Caffeine?

Caffeine is fine for you unless it’s not. Coffee is far from the only source of it. Avoid deliberately caffeinated beverages for multiple reasons.

u2615_hot_beverage What’s In Your Water?

I only drink coffee made with our own filtered well water, or plain coffees at Starbucks (all of their stores use RO filtering).

If you are making coffee with municipal tap water (or consuming that water for any purpose), or drinking almost any store/restaurant-prepared beverages, you may have much more serious issues than those discussed in this tweaky article.

Coffee enthusiasts discourage using distilled water for coffee, but there are no health issues with doing that. Bottled spring water is probably fine.

u2615_hot_beverage Amendments

Most common coffee condiments are a disaster. Sugars you’re likely aware of. Creamers are little mine fields of unwanted ω6LA at the very least.

If you’re tempted to add any prebiotic ingredients, be mindful of temperature. Coffee is normally brewed at 195 to 205°F (90.5-96.1°C), and this can convert resistant starches to available net carbs. Check the Can Cook column in my Prebiotic Fiber Sources table. Raw potato starch, for example, would be unwise in coffee.

u2615_hot_beverage Coffee Filter

I use an unbleached paper filter (Mellita). Bleached filters raise potential residual bleaching concerns. If you go with bleached, look for some manufacturer representations regarding residues. And again, this issue is trivial compared to chloramine in tap water.

Metal filter?
You’ll need to check into the latest pondering on the cafestol issue (which I didn’t do for this first edition of this article, and the cholesterol connection is probably completely irrelevant, other than for purposes of gaming lipid panels). Do be aware that unless you got sticker shock when you bought it, that “gold filter” is no such thing. It’s more likely heat-treated stainless steel, easily not even gold-plated. Curious that no one ever mentions mesh sizes.

u2615_hot_beverage Container Materials

Once brewed, coffee at our house goes into a pre-warmed stainless steel thermos, and then is consumed from an insulated glass mug (Eparé or Bodum), ceramic mug, or a well-aged insulated plastic mug that is presumably no longer out-gassing much to worry about.

Coffee to go, even at Starbucks, is going to be in a bleached paper cup with some sort of lining to prevent the coffee from seeping through the paper. So normally, I’ll have the stainless travel mug along, and immediately decant.

Thermos pre-warming is a simple matter of filling it with hot tap water, letting it stand, emptying and filling with the coffee. Why pre-warm the container? Both glass and stainless vacuum vessels represent a modest amount of thermal mass. If you don’t heat them up before hand, they’ll get heated by cooling the coffee.

u2615_hot_beverage Picking a Coffee

I use whole bean, burr-ground just prior to brewing. Brand and variety matter, but you’ll figure this out by trying various products. Organic is not a priority. Even less so are high altitude, single-origin, shade-grown, and low-mycotoxin.

u2615_hot_beverage In Closing

Coffee is one of those topics that is not helpful to the cause of gaining people’s attention on more serious nutritional issues. The breathless headlines on coffee swap from Toxin to Elixir on an annual basis. The average person thinks that such ambiguity thus applies to all foods and food-like substances.

At some point we may know the full spectrum of benefits and hazards for coffee. In the meantime, there are bigger fish to fry (but not at too high a temperature, and choose the fat carefully u263a_white_smiling_face). Someone tweaking coffee, but still consuming grains, added sugars, or PUFAs at typical levels, and doing nothing for microbiome, needs to re-examine their priorities. Even emulsifiers, preservatives and food coloring are likely more serious concerns.

If someone decides to quit coffee, by the way, tapering off is usually pretty easy compared to cold turkey. I’ve done it several times for varying periods and reasons (and get headaches doing it cold turkey). And yes, the reaction to cold turkey does reveal a coffee adaptation if not an addiction.

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Salt, Doctored and Undoctored
Salt, Doctored and Undoctored

Salt, Doctored and Undoctored

Edition: 2018-10-11

For a surf zoner getting ample seafood, salt just happens, and requires no particular attention. For uplanders, it’s a critical deliberate nutrient, and always has been. For good reason, the Hallstatt and Hallein salt mines in Austria may be the oldest continually operating businesses on the planet — 7000 years — although we’d have to cross-check that with ancient, often still-operating open-pool and salt-flat farms found in many regions.

Modern dogma on sodium intake leads to deficiency, as Dr. Davis points out on the Wheat Belly Blog in Salt Your Food. The latest book deflating the dogma is The Salt Fix (DiNicolantonio).

But the present article below isn’t about daily dose of sodium or salt, or even how to assess your salt status. It’s about the salt itself.

What kind of salt should I use?
is a frequently asked question.
The broad answer is: it’s not that big a deal, but if you want to optimize your choice, read on.
TL;DR?
A. credible coarse mined (underground), such as Redmond Real or pink Himalayan
B. credible unrefined light colored modern sea salt
and for either, full analysis considered.
No credible analysis published : no sale.

Priorities: Picking a salt is a nutritional tweak (although an easy one, due to the deminimus economic considerations). The top concern is your overall diet and lifestyle program. So in the Undoctored program, first attend to grain-free, thyroid optimization, omega 3 intake, magnesium intake, Vitamin D status and bowel flora. Picking a salt is even subordinate to getting sufficient salt in any form.

What is the Ideal Human Dietary Salt?

Unknown, really, but what you might optimally respond to is what your genotype is adapted to (and if you are of materially mixed ancestry, there may be no insight along this line).

If they were coastal, they may be adapted to the mineral profile of the ocean in key epochs. That ocean is not the modern ocean.

If they were inlanders, they might have been adapted to regional sources, that may or may not still be available in pristine form. Note that the Maasai still drink cow blood.

Other than sodium, no salt is a material source of minerals or elements that the Undoctored program suggests for routine or contingent supplementation, including magnesium, iodine, zinc, iron. Salt can be a useful source of things we need in trace amounts, particularly if otherwise deficient in diet.

All Salt is Sea Salt

Unless created by burning reagent-grade sodium metal in a pure chlorine atmosphere (which dangerous detonation nobody does for salt-making), all food-grade salt originally came from sea water. The considerations for consumption of it include:
u1f714_alchemical_symbol_for_salt How long ago was it sea water?
u1f714_alchemical_symbol_for_salt What’s been removed?
u1f714_alchemical_symbol_for_salt If refined, what’s still there?
u1f714_alchemical_symbol_for_salt If modern sea water, what’s still there?
u1f714_alchemical_symbol_for_salt What’s been added?

And yes, this implies that when you see an Ingredients list item of “sea salt” (without a modifying prefix), it might be a warning label. The top explanation for that phrasing is pandering to a perceived fad by formulators who may or may not be competent. A simple statement of “salt,” is frankly much more forthright. The “pink Himalayan salt” seen on Wheat Free Market Foods and Primal Kitchen products meets with my personal approval.

I might add here that despite being a mineral, “organic…salt” is actually a thing, in some jurisdictions, but the claim resolves few questions per se that we might have about the specific product.

How Long Ago Was It Sea Water?

Mined salt (from strata of ancient sea beds) and inland farmed salt (from evaporated land-locked seas, or continuing mountain run-off) all trace their origins to ancient oceans.

The underground sources are still largely pristine, but may represent a mineral profile that is arguably too old — pre-human. We pick our battles.

Provenance matters on unrefined mined salt. You might assume that cheap generic bag of pink Himalayan is top shelf pebbles from Khewra Salt Mine in Pakistan, but without some credible supporting data, it could be just random Mid East road salt, perhaps in a counterfeit container.

Surface mined sources likely still exhibit their archaeological mineral profiles, but have been exposed to the industrial age atmosphere for a couple of centuries now, which has been depositing contaminants on them, So there’s that.

Anything calling itself “sea salt” is presumably from the modern ocean. That means that unless extraordinary measures are applied, it contains all the contaminants of the industrial, littering and atomic ages.Return to Questions ]

What’s Been Removed?

Refined salt is the default form of food-grade salt sold in food markets. What makes it refined is a recrystallization process to remove “impurities” thought to be objectionable to customers. This process uses chemicals at the liquid step, and often drying at high temperatures (e.g. 1200°F/649°C, which suffices to drive off trace gases and volatile compounds).

Refining changes the mineral profile of the salt. Assessing this requires comparing the full analysis of the product to a full analysis of a sea salt or mined/unrefined salt. Refined salt may turn out to be just sodium, chloride, processing residues, anti-caking agents and [ephemeral] iodine.

Unrefined sea salts usually have gross contaminants (dead seagulls) and debris (driftwood) removed, but little else.Return to Questions ]

Mined unrefined salts typically have nothing removed.

If Refined, What’s Still There?

Processing residues are apt to be present, which reportedly can include ferrocyanide, aluminum silicate and ammonium citrate.Return to Questions ]

If Modern Sea Water, What’s Still There?

The list includes but is not limited to: mercury, lead, chromium, petroleum, pesticides, PCBs, dioxins, micro-plastics (now reported in sea water at the poles), and perhaps a dash of radioactives.

The fundamental problem is that they can’t remove these toxins without removing all the other micros too. The only way to then provide them is to add them back in, and I suspect exactly no one does this. If someone wants to argue that the toxin levels don’t matter, then they need to consider that then any even lower micronutrient levels don’t matter either.

This points up a marketing problem in the Sea Salt business. The analysis data they often provide may be very selective. They’ll list the trendy trace elements (say, iodine and selenium), but “neglect” to provide a figure for any of the heavy metals, esp. mercury and lead, nor the industrial compounds.

The radiation can be ameliorated to some extent by seeking Atlantic sea salt. But the greater consideration is being on a diet that reduces cancer risk. Anyone who carefully avoids Fukushima Daiichi™ brand sea salt, but remains on a consensus full-time-glycemic diet with wheat, has inverted cancer risk priorities.Return to Questions ]

What’s Been added?

Depending on source country policy, and retail country policy, addition of iodine to salt may be required, effectively required, or just seen as a marketing feature.

Iodine is a harmless, if largely ineffective amendment to salt. It evaporates fairly rapidly, so if the package is not air-tight, it may be gone before first use. Once opened, assume it’s gone in a month. Iodine is important, but get it from more reliable sources.

Finely granulated salt tends to clump. Consequently, anti-caking or flow agents are routinely added. Although this could easily be a concerning grain starch like wheat dextrin, the list of candidate contaminants is extensive and sobering.

Flow agents are easy to minimize, if not avoid altogether, by sourcing a coarse salt and grinding it yourself. If using a mined unrefined salt, make sure it’s a sturdy grinder, because it really is little rocks, and some of it may have a hardness greater than pure NaCl crystals.Return to Questions ]

So Where Does This All Leave Us?

My family is presently using a domestic ancient subterranean salt, Redmond Real Salt, coarse (on Vitacost, on Amazon). Whatever you pick, insist on a complete credible analysis, as well as credible chain of custody from mine to table.

With modern sea salt (coarse, unrefined), the question probably comes down to: do the benefits of the trace minerals outweigh the hazards of the trace toxins? A credible sea salt would be my second choice, followed by a surface mined salt, and with a coarse refined salt a distant fourth.

Consumerlab.com has not {yet} routinely tested salts. On a page that may be visible only to subscribers, they did, in 2012, commission an analysis of a dozen products, and ended up advising against black and grey salts due to heavy element concerns.

Limited time offer: Wiki tells us that
“Extraction of Himalayan salt is expected to last 350 years at the present rate of extraction of around 385,000 tons per annum”

Someone also noted that some pink Himalayan they’d bought came in a package touting that it was millions of years old, and the package had an expiry date a year out. The author concluded that they’d mined it just in the nick of time.Return to Top ]

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ASchu: I just found this on Stanford.edu

? A at rs4420638 indicates a high probability of T at rs429358
? G at rs4420638 indicates a high probability of C at rs429358
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