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  TC
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Alfredo: Thank you for your message Dana,
How do I know if mold is an issue?
Is there a test for that?
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  Proprius
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Barbie777: I’m in the same boat, no symptoms of hypothyroidism other than the blood markers. I, too, am a Lean Mass Hyper Responder with high LP(a).
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Low carb correlation w low free T3 - supply/demand issue or T4 conversion issue?
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IHB: Facial fat

Originally posted by Dr. Davis on 2025-01-15 on the Dr. Davis Infinite Health Blog (⇩cite). | PCM forum 🛈Index of Infinite Health Blog articles PCM,IHB,anti-aging,antiaging,bowels,flora,collagen,hyaluronic,acid,oxytocin,ozempic,face,probiotics,reduce,wrinkles,reuteri,skin,super,gut,youth


Facial fat

photos: Bryan Johnson post-CR and post-jabs

From Tyla

While excess facial fat has been a concern for many people over the past 50 years as overweight and obesity have become epidemic, more recently loss of facial fat has emerged as a growing concern as dangerous and destructive weight loss practices have gained ground.

Look at this disturbing YouTube video by popular social media personality, Bryan Johnson (above), the multi-millionaire obsessed with youthfulness who tried to restore facial contours after a reduced calorie weight loss effort that left him looking older and unhealthy due to loss of facial fat. He therefore he resorted to various injections of fillers and other materials to restore fuller, more youthful facial appearance. This, of course, is not genuine youthfulness; it is the artificial appearance of youthfulness. He is no more youthful from these injections than he would be by just wearing a Halloween mask or other superficial effort to conceal the loss of youthful facial fat.

This conversation has recently gained the spotlight because of the GLP-1 agonist movement, drugs that reduce caloric intake by turning-off appetite and slowing gastric emptying, thereby leading to reduced calorie intake and weight loss. Problems: 1) GLP-1 agonists preferentially favor loss of subcutaneous (beneath the skin) fat over the more metabolically problematic abdominal visceral fat, and 2) cause loss of a significant amount of muscle, including the musculature of the face. This was the origin of the term “Ozempic face” coined by a New York plastic surgeon who noticed that people losing weight on GLP-1 agonist drugs like Ozempic developed deep wrinkles and loss of youthful facial fat, causing them to look 10 or 20 years or more older. While the conversation has gained widespread attention because so many people have drank the GLP-1 agonist Kool-Aid, loss of facial fat is an issue that accompanies any effort to lose weight that involves reducing calorie intake. Likewise, loss of muscle, including facial muscle, is a serious problem that accompanies any effort at weight loss involving reduced calorie intake, with an especially marked effect with GLP-1 agonist agents. (By the way, plastic surgeons offer plastic surgery to remedy this situation, a “solution” that is purely local and cosmetic and does not address body-wide problems, including earlier death, that accompany GLP-1 agonists and other misguided weight loss efforts. And, of course, it pays the plastic surgeon well with thousands of dollars of fees.)

This means that reduced calorie diets (“move more, eat less,” Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and the hundreds of other programs and apps that encourage you to reduce calorie intake), bariatric procedures, and GLP-1 agonists all cause loss of subcutaneous facial fat, loss of muscle, and the appearance of accelerated aging. It may also not be just about appearances, as weight loss achieved by reducing calories, regardless of the method, shortens your life by several years, likely due to loss of muscle and the frailty, falls, fractures, loss of independence that develop with muscle loss.

Ironically, while someone like Bryan Johnson may appear younger due to his efforts to restore youthful facial features, he is actually likely to die several years earlier than he otherwise would have. The accelerated facial aging he experienced is just the tip of the iceberg in unhealthy changes in the rest of his body that make him less healthy and more prone to the ravages of aging.

How can you avoid the mistakes made by Mr. Johnson and the millions of other people who have been done the disservice by their doctors to submit to GLP-1 agonist drugs or other calorie-reducing strategies? Given the lessons my team and I have learned over the past several years, consider:

  • Never reducing calories—Time-restricted eating or brief (<72 hours) intermittent fasting is harmless and may be modestly beneficial, but any prolonged effort to reduce calorie intake will lead to. a reduction in basal metabolic rate (BMR) that guarantees regain of fat—fat, not muscle—over time, even if a low-calorie diet and resistance training program are followed. Calorie restriction therefore leads over time to loss of muscle and increased fat, mostly abdominal visceral fat.
     
  • Maintaining collagen intake—Collagen protein intake that you should have gotten through consumption of meats and organs favors loss of abdominal visceral fat and maintenance or increase in muscle mass. (Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that bone broth is a safe source of collagen, as it is a source of the heavy metal, lead, just like lead-containing paints, especially if you used prolonged simmering and addition of vinegar.) Bovine collagen powders, e.g., 20 grams per day, is an easy way to ensure adequate intake. You can see this reflected in reduction of wrinkle depth in the face, an increase in smoothness and “plumpness.” This will amplify the effects of other collagen-provoking strategies such as red light, microneedling, and topical retinoids.
     
  • Bloom butyrogenic species in the gastrointestinal tract (GI) microbiome—Fibers such as inulin, fructooligosaccharides, galactooligosaccharides, pectin, and the all-important hyaluronic acid, bloom microbial species that produce butyric acid that reduce body-wide inflammation and encourage muscle growth. Butyric acid also leads to reduced endotoxemia that allows loss of abdominal visceral fat and helps restore youthful muscle.
     
  • Resistance training—While resistance training alone is insufficient to fully restore youthful muscle, combined with all the other efforts listed here, it can contribute to rebuilding/restoring youthful muscle. And building muscle in, say, your thighs or shoulders can modestly increase facial muscles through the release of myokines, bloodborne mediators of muscle growth. For similar reasons, standing on a vibrating plate that vibrates the legs, buttocks, and spine will increase muscle in the upper body through the release of myokines.
     
  • Restore microbes that increase muscleL. reuteri shines here, especially when counts are increased by making L. reuteri yogurt.

Combine the above strategies and avoid factors that cause premature facial aging—GLP-1 agonist drugs, other methods of reducing calories, excessive exposure to UV radiation/midday sun, lack of morning sunlight or red/infrared light, lack of vitamin D, vegan/vegetarian diet, failure to obtain oral collagen and hyaluronic acid—and you will not have to resort to extreme efforts to maintain healthy facial fat, muscle, and contours.


The original IHB post is currently found on the: ⎆Infinite Health Blog, but accessing it there can require an unnecessary separate blog membership. The copy of it above is complete, and has been re-curated and enhanced for the Inner Circle membership.

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Lucky Lime: Brian Johnson is mentally ill millionaire.
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2025-01-22 (Wed) 7:00PM CST (00:00 UTC) Vmeet thread: The RBC Omega-3 Index
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Light Management: Part 2
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Using a binder to maximize probiotic delivery with L-reuteri yogurt
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L-crispatus as single probiotic product
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JolitaT: Thanks! I got the answer from Epigenetics - strain L-crispatus DSM 24619. Do we have some information about this strain? 
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Dr. Davis: In fact, L. crispatus make one of the tastiest yogurts of all, smooth and creamy without the acidic "bite" of lactic acid, even though it does indeed produce lactic acid that discourages vaginal pathogens. 
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Ray-n-Deb: Thanks for the response. 

Like most things "derived or created from" cause different outcomes
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Dr. Davis: And you do not want to provoke formation of small LDL particles that persist for 5-7 days after excessive carb intake that increases cardiovascular risk. 
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NeuroticDysbiotic: Did you switch brands or did the manufacturer change how the make the berberine tablet or the ingredients?
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Recipe
In Recipes that call for sweetener equivalent to an amount of Sugar .....

Are we saying equivalent in volume or Taste ???

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Grettagetwell: I did go through the program, but I will read that part again. I appreciate that suggestion.  

Is the AI referred to located on this site or elsewhere?
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First Batch L. Reuteri from BioGaia Gastrus watery and not really sour
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hopscotch: Jolita, I’d relate the sourness to the ferment running out of food. When you back off the starter enough, there will be plenty of food then for the remaining bacteria, though I think your testing the limits is its own education :-)
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Metagenics CandiBactin-BR
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  Malcolm
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Dexcom G7 CGM
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New Member Discussion
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  Ray-n-Deb
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vitamin D3 & K2
We currently take D3 and Astaxanthin with morning Omega 3 dose

And K2 & Kelp/Iodine in the evening with Omega 3 Dose

I read that it is best to separate the K2 from the D3 and it’s better to take D3 in the morning to avoid sleep disruption.

Thoughts ???

Ray-n-Deb: Thanks 
i do take seperate D3 & K2 suppliments. 
i like to at least THINK i know what i am getting :-) 
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saukriver: I had not seen that stuff on timing Bob.  Thank you for flagging.  

I take the MK-7 form of K2.  Again, not part of Dr. Davis’ recommendation . . . yet.  And maybe never.
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L Reuteri Question
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  Jesse
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CAC after open heart surgery ?
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CHIPPYJ: This is great,  and more common than people think.  Sadly.  Thank you for sharing!!  =)
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saukriver: Wow.  Tough to stand your ground with 4 "experts" chomping and the bit to do surgery.
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  Ray-n-Deb
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Lentil, Pea or Legume Flours
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  DrTeske
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Systemic candida/fungi
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Pussywillow1: I called the company and asked, and it is a possibility that there is lead. Thank you Bob.
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Undoctored inner circle vs Dr.Davis infinite health inner circle
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SIBO blend yogurt for biploar/anxiety disorder
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birdiegal: From all I’ve read on here, Dr. Davis doesn’t do one on one consults with members of this group.  He’s simply too busy.  He does do the weekly meet ups and takes questions. maybe you could ask a question when the group meets.  
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Yogurt Maker Device in UK
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Lori_Miller: I bought my yogurt maker on Amazon (a Suteck) and it’s worked great for five years. 

Most of the yogurt makers I’ve seen people complain about here over the years have been the most expensive models. 
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